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Hello,
I purchased a stolen / recovered 2008 R1 from the local auctions. Its a statutory write off (due to VIN being removed) but perfect for my purpose which is to put the motor and electrics into a light weight car.
Upon further inspection of the key chamber, 'someone' has had some fun, damaged the key barrel and put in a immobiliser bypass where the immobiliser transponder / transponder usually lives.
Please see picture.
The good thing is I got the original keys (or what I believe / have been told is the original keys) with the bike.

Question,
Are the antenna's coded to the system or just an antenna?
Can I purchase a new / second hand transponder antenna?

If it is coded, ill just keep the bypass and get a aftermarket immobiliser (need it for the car registration)
Located in Melbourne Australia.

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If you wanna make any changes, You'll have to buy a new ecu, keys, and ignition (with the immo antenna on it) for about 1800usd

Given you've dug this out of the housing, you either need to get another bypass (forget those keys. They're junk now, even if they're the original Yamaha keys that came with the bike; their matching antenna had already been removed, so you're not gonna get them working again without a lengthy and costly process with yamaha), or do as said in the previous paragraph..

Or just order and American harness ecu and ignition lock for about 450 usd
 

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Nope. There's three components involved, at least. Maybe 4.

1. The chip in your key
2. The antenna ring around your ignition
3. The chip attached to your antenna ring (which op posted a pic of)
4. Ecu.

Take any of those out and replace it with another unit, and your bike won't start. This isn't theory being prostulated. This is hours of hard labor and suffering speaking.

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Nope. There's three components involved, at least. Maybe 4.

1. The chip in your key
2. The antenna ring around your ignition
3. The chip attached to your antenna ring (which op posted a pic of)
4. Ecu.

Take any of those out and replace it with another unit, and your bike won't start. This isn't theory being prostulated. This is hours of hard labor and suffering speaking.
yes from what i remember it, that anti-theft system is no joke, gets expensive when some punk tries to jack your shit.

local member had to replace all with a brand new kit, and it was a YAMAHA dealer ONLY install. not cheap.
 

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That's what the dealer tells you but it's bullshit. It's a cash grab and if you know how it works there is a lot of ways around it. Just send the ecu to get flashed and they can remove the immobilizer. You could also grab a USA ecu without the immobilizer and you switch a couple pairs of wires in the ecu plug to change the firing order since they swap them from factory so euro and USA ecu's won't swap. You can also just order a new ignition with the transponder in it, BUT you will have to have a locksmith take the lock apart and re-key it to the existing key you have IF that key matches the ecu then it should work but if you have the wrong key then your hooped and will have to go with one of the other methods. Looks like you need a new key anyways so that might be the way to go first and if it doesn't pan out then send it for the flash.
 

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what you are describing are 'work arounds' which effectively disable the security system. that does not make the system BULLSHIT.
you can consider it a cash grab but its not aimed at the rider, meaning most folks think oh you included this system to get $$$ off me after the fact.

uhhmmm... NOOOOOO!!! they made such a system so a would be thief would be deterred from jacking said bike!! it is meant to cost THEM a bundle!
they cannot easily resell it without automatically admitting the bike is stolen.. Hell seen as they are not the rightfull owner they cannot even walk into a dealer
and request the parts in order to carry out the repairs / damage caused purely to JACK THE BIKE in the 1st place!!!

what happens when OP wants to sell the bike down the road, ohh look my bike is special.. it doesnt have the oem BULLSHIT security system.
buyer: hey so is there anything i need to know about the history of this bike? OP: uhhhmmmm... i'm drawing a blank, what do you mean exactly? LOL

if i purchase an alarm system which disables the ignition and some idiot destroys my alarm in the process of trying to jack my bike,
but did not actually steal the bike.. guess what? i will happily call insurance and have them replace the alarm system, and i will get a
check in the mail one week later.. that is the system doing its job. :D

i dont know if you're on BCSB @andrewstclair , but the details were posted years ago, owner of a 2007/08 R1. He got insurance to cover the lot. :D
 

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I didn't say the system was bullshit the system works fine for what it's meant to do and that's stopping someone from being able to start it and ride away with it. What's bullshit is when dealers say there's no way to start the bike and you will have to bring it to them and spend thousands to get it running again. You can just but the parts from a dealer and do it yourself there's nothing where Yamaha says the dealer has to do the work. Yamaha doesn't care at all its just a cash grab from the dealer. Lots of guys take the system off when they track the bikes or use the motors for other projects like the OP
 

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You can just but the parts from a dealer and do it yourself there's nothing where Yamaha says the dealer has to do the work. Yamaha doesn't care at all its just a cash grab from the dealer. Lots of guys take the system off when they track the bikes or use the motors for other projects like the OP
oh so you're upset at Capitalism!?? is that all? :D ;)

i'm going out on a limb and assume its a dealer only part because it pertains to security.

there are SEVERAL electronic devices we need to install for the client due to the sensitive nature of the items at hand.


from their point of view, it keeps sensitive information regarding how it works, design etc from getting into the wrong hands.

because you are proficient at working on motorcycles you are likely more aware of how it all goes back together,
in the exact same manner I know most of the stuff we do is actually very simple and straight forward. The key
here is, the client / rider does not necessarily understand it all. And they want to keep it that way, obviously.

Dealers will always have a choice in how they present the product when a client buys it from them, i think this is what
i meant with my post above. Meaning that you NEED to go to a dealer in order to purchase the parts, which makes it
a DEALER ONLY part. Dealers have a choice on weather to offer in house warranty support for such part as a DIY
or a Dealer only install part. We do the same, and most of our OEM suppliers do have a clause written to address this.
Meaning it could affect you insurance if the bike were to be stolen / system found to fail in the future.

its just how business is done.. but yes there will always be 'loopholes' in such practices and if you know the dealer you may get a break.
in the particular case I spoke of, i'm aware who the dealer was that provided / installed the part. I am certain it was part of their
policy to provide this as an 'in house install only' part. Also, i'm very much aware the owner of the bike had ZERO knowledge
nor understanding of how to put it all back together. Insurance covered the cost of the part AS WELL as the labor portion, it cost
him NOTHING to have the work done. Its a security item / deterrent that was damaged during an attempt to steal the bike, there
is no headache nor cash-grab involved at all, its just business.

i see nothing wrong with that at all, it sucks that labor costs money, but I dont work for free and If i HAVE to show up to install the
part that broke during a break in or vandalism event, the company I work for must charge for our services, we are considered a
certified dealer / partner, its part of what we do. The word 'partner' does have its privileges and in our case since the manufacturer
is not local, clients will have to come back to us when something happens with the item.. What we charge when you purchase
the part from us, comes with a determined 'cost' added to it which enables us to provide diagnosis support in the event the part
fails prematurely.. The 'warranty' in this case, carries with it a labor portion, and again. We dont work for free, so if you want the
warranty, i'm the one that needs to install it. Its a company policy at that point, sorry. Security item. :D
 

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We are talking about different stuff here. I'm not upset that they want to make I buck. I don't like that instead of selling you the parts or giving you the option they LIE and say it MUST be installed by them. If you need to be dishonest to make money then you shouldn't be in business there's no reason you can't say it's complicated and it should be installed by them OR for your own piece of mind request to see the regi when they order the part. I'm all for making money. I'm just stating that it's INCORRECT information. When the first guy to reply said you have to buy a new ecu, keys, locks, antenna that's all incorrect. Not to mention he quoted USD but the U.S. doesn't even have immobilizers so I don't get that relation. The code isnt even stored in the antenna it's in the ecu so like I was saying everything that everyone was told by dealers in this thread that if one part goes it's all garbage is bullshit. Replace the antenna and it should work. The OP isn't rebuilding a bike, it has nothing to do with insurance I'm not giving advice to everyone im giving advice to one person about his specific situation.

The truth is enough "sure we can sell you the parts but sensitive electronics like this aren't warrantied if we don't install it otherwise we can't confirm it's defective and you didn't mess it up so we recommend eating us install it." That sentence would make sense to most people. But instead guys come ask me about a lock that was smashed while they didn't have storage insurance on it because it was in their garage for the winter when someone tried to steal it now the dealer wants 3K for a whole new setup when I buy a used lock and have it renewed to the old key and away we go for 300 bucks. So if YOU didn't know any better that you could fix it back to good as new for 300 bucks and the dealer lied n said 3000....would you be upset?
 

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I'm just stating that it's INCORRECT information. When the first guy to reply said you have to buy a new ecu, keys, locks, antenna that's all incorrect. Not to mention he quoted USD but the U.S. doesn't even have immobilizers so I don't get that relation.
i agree with this part, i figured somebody may mention it at some point.. correct
i guess i just dont get all caught up on the whole 'you lied to me' scenario in such discussions..
there's plenty of shit manufacturers and dealers a like dont tell you about, or arent 100% clear about.. again, its business.

We try to be up front and honest with our clients on every front, but there are
details which are not laid out for the client. Some things are considered more
sensitive than others, i'm not about to judge dealers on something that actually
has some merit.
 

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i hear you but **** that. some vancouver dealers are scum. i go to one and get quoted 3600 for a part and get told theres nothing they can do they aren't making anything off that, then go to another and pay 875 out the door and they are happy to charge it because their markup is still 40 percent. business is business but dirty business is another thing. over charging people because they don't know any better isn't the way i do things and i don't agree with it. that being said i think everyones time is worth money and they deserve to be paid for it.
 

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you're preaching to the choir in terms of local dealerships.. i do my own work for a reason.

i'm just saying in the case of an immobilizer there's a couple of details to consider,
purely because of what it does. The dealership that did the work back in the day
doesnt exist any more. Heck there's only a handful of dealerships left these days,
the landscape has changed a fair bit. Those still in the game know they can get
away with murder.

given what the item is, i'm not surprised its 'considered' a dealer install item..
i'm trying not to include every other part under the sun in this particular case
because its not just a run of the mill part.

When it comes to OEM parts i need, i buy from partzilla and take care of the work at home.
 

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Err, @andrewstclair I was the first guy. Let me explain the relation that you didnt get.

You can convert money to different currencies, so that:

1. You're making apples to apples comparisons when quoting prices for parts,

2. If either of or both parties in a purchase transaction uses a currency that's not dollars, you transact in one currency that both can relate to. The default in most international transactions as this is dollars. The service/part being sold doesn't have to be from or available in the USA. The money being paid doesn't have to be dollars. The country the goods is going to doesn't have to be the USA. But quotes and comparisons will be in dollars.


About whether I said was incorrect, I don't need to go back to my post to know that I said it was he had the option of "dealer cash grab" as youve ranted against , or buying a usa ecu and harness for much cheaper. What you should quote is how much its gonna cost him to mail the ecu to you, how much it'll cost to get it flashed, and how much to mail it back to his country. Lets compare the $$ and leave it to OP decide what suits him.
 

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Well I'm sure you can understand why I may think it's odd he's in Australia and your in Canada and your converting it to USD a country where these parts aren't even available unless he wants to go to the USA harness that he said he can't use. I'm not gonna quote him prices because I don't go on Aussie eBay or kijiji or whatever they use, I don't know I'm not familiar with whats popular down there. I just know they get over charged for a lot of stuff (even worse then us in Canada). When he joins the convo again and fills us in on where he's at with this project then we can help with some solutions.
 

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Also I'm not attacking you I don't think this is your information and your trying to rip someone off obviously it's whatever you or a friend was told I don't know why this is getting out of hand
 
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