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My son and I are watching IOM and I'm just wondering why isn't Dunlop, Hutchinson, Anstey, or McGuunness racing WSBK, or MotoGP?? Is IOM more balls than skill or what?
 

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We had the IOMTT guys over a few years ago to compete in some track racing. Although they did pretty well, they weren't faster than our local riders.

From talking to them across the weekend, they identified they generally run at only about 90% of their total capabilities, due to the surface changes that occur across longer street circuits, and to ensure they make it to the end of the race without killing themselves (even a simple lowside at street circuits can really hurt you), where as the MotoGP/WSBK riders are generally riding at 99%, and don't worry as much about the potential for crashes as there isn't a wall or kerb right there if they do crash.

There are a few of the top Irish Road racers who also participate in the BSB, however have no-where near the success that they see at the IOM TT or other Road Racing events, similarly there are some BSB racers who have competed in Road Racing events (Josh Brookes as an example), but haven't had similar success at road racing.

I'd suggest due to the undulating changing surfaces, and outright distance of a single lap, it can take years to become fast at road racing at any single event, as you can only practice them when the event is on and roads are closed. Where as racing on tracks, the surfaces are pretty consistent, and you spend a lot less time doing a lot more laps to become familiar with all the nuances of any particular surface.
 

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Road racing, Moto GP, Superbike, Super Motard, Enduro, Moto Cross, Trials. All may have similarities and things in common with another but each is different. The better one might get, the more specialised they become I guess
 

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We had the IOMTT guys over a few years ago to compete in some track racing. Although they did pretty well, they weren't faster than our local riders.

From talking to them across the weekend, they identified they generally run at only about 90% of their total capabilities, due to the surface changes that occur across longer street circuits, and to ensure they make it to the end of the race without killing themselves (even a simple lowside at street circuits can really hurt you), where as the MotoGP/WSBK riders are generally riding at 99%, and don't worry as much about the potential for crashes as there isn't a wall or kerb right there if they do crash.

There are a few of the top Irish Road racers who also participate in the BSB, however have no-where near the success that they see at the IOM TT or other Road Racing events, similarly there are some BSB racers who have competed in Road Racing events (Josh Brookes as an example), but haven't had similar success at road racing.

I'd suggest due to the undulating changing surfaces, and outright distance of a single lap, it can take years to become fast at road racing at any single event, as you can only practice them when the event is on and roads are closed. Where as racing on tracks, the surfaces are pretty consistent, and you spend a lot less time doing a lot more laps to become familiar with all the nuances of any particular surface.


You know what.... Thats a really really good way to look at it.....

'The reason I do it is because if you do it wrong, it will kill you.
If you think it's too dangerous then go home and cut your lawn and leave us to it.'
- Guy Martin


http://motomatters.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1815
 

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Some of the TT riders do compete in BSB and usually they are back markers. However every sport requires you to be a specialist these days so that's no real surprise.
 

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Some of the TT riders do compete in BSB and usually they are back markers. However every sport requires you to be a specialist these days so that's no real surprise.
Correct, most of them compete locally in less well known racing series. For these guys its mostly all about road racing. They just like it better. And after watching MotoGP for years and then discovering Ulster GP, NW 200, Manx GP and IOM - I totally get why. Most all the riders who do IOM also do the previously mentioned races. The just like road racing. Many also do BSB and the other lesser series. Frankly, I think these guys are the all around best riders in the world - period. Above MotoGP etc. Its so much harder to memorize and navigate a public road - for 37 miles than it is to deal with a 2.6 miles purpose built ultra smooth track.

How many times do you see GP bikes get airborne... How many times a lap do the IOM rider jump 200 Ft or more... I'm actually curious but I bet they leave the ground at least 15 maybe 20 times a lap. And some of those jumps appear to be a hundred yards + at 150 - 180MPH
 

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Most of the IOM racers are considered, "Road Racers" they have their own circuit/season including other races in Ireland, North West 200, Ulser GP and others. To them it is pure racing, they are not interested in racing at a track.

The fastest race on their circuit is the Ulster GP, it's complete lunacy. Difference between the IOM and Ulster GP is that at the Ulster GP they all line up at the grid together, going 200mph 4-5 bikes abreast with spectators sitting on the side of the road. See YouTube, it will blow your mind.

Also, I went to the IOM in 2013, best trip of my life, rented bikes from Jason Griffiths Motorcycles and rode on the Mtn Course with my wife on back. It was on my bucket list, make it yours. Definitely going back.
 

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Also, I went to the IOM in 2013, best trip of my life, rented bikes from Jason Griffiths Motorcycles and rode on the Mtn Course with my wife on back. It was on my bucket list, make it yours. Definitely going back.
You are going to have to give me some details. :D I am going next year and I will only have 1-2 days at the most mid week of event. I guess I better get my ass in gear and start planning now as next summer is getting here quicker than I thought it would. I would love to ride the course if possible, preferably with a guide or group as I will be by myself. Also looking for a good viewing area for the day.
 

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Ok, the IOM travel agencies don't release specifics until January. We went through a travel agency and rented the "Snooze Boxes" which are high-end ship containers they have set up with TV's, beds, shower etc. Very clean, very cool, best of all they are a great price and located right behind the start-finish line.

My wife would hang out and read, I would wander over to the pits and talk shop with all the racers and their crews. (only 200 yards away) Everyone was so friendly and welcoming it was amazing. Also, just below us, 100 yards away there was a fantastic pub with Guinness on tap and great food, breakfast was awesome.

From there you can walk down the hill into town along the water which looks like the Riviera, Hotels and buildings line the street beautiful. The walk takes only about 20 minutes. Red Bull does a big motorcycle show every night with bikes doing stunts. Motorcycles everywhere, I mean everywhere.

If you wish to ride around the IOM, make sure you schedule your reservations now. Contact Jason Griffiths Motorcycles LTD at 011-44 (0) 1624-825940. You'll probably talk with Steve, nice guy. Costs about 180-pounds per day, includes your protective gear. They will need your credit card and M-1 License and insurance. BTW, if they open at 9am, get there at 8:30am, we got there early by mistake and where lucky to get the last four helmets, gloves and jackets.

When you get picked up by a cab at the airport, make sure you ask the cab driver to stop at Fairy Bridge. You must kiss the bridge, don't even question it, it's for good luck.

Have fun, I can't wait to go back.

Greg
 

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Thanks for the info! Getting ready for fireworks tonight and loading up for the track tomorrow, so I will do some research this week.
 

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Some NW200 and IOM race BSB not sure about WSBK, these riders like the thrill that closed circuit racing can't give. And its not as if its easy to get into the MotoGP to begin with.
 

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you're smoking too much weed if you think circuit racing isn't hard. I guarantee you that any motogp racer would love a few mins of racing at only 90%.

if any of you think it's easy enter in a few club races. even at 8 laps or so you'll walk away feeling like you ran 5 miles as hard as you could.
 

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you're smoking too much weed if you think circuit racing isn't hard. I guarantee you that any motogp racer would love a few mins of racing at only 90%.

if any of you think it's easy enter in a few club races. even at 8 laps or so you'll walk away feeling like you ran 5 miles as hard as you could.

Just to make it clear, road racers and short circuit racers both ride at 100% or more as much as possible. They are equally talented at their respective fields. The only difference is the road racers have bigger balls. No modern MotoGP rider wants anything to do with IOM but the reverse isn't true.

And NONE of its easy. You have to be insanely talented, have no fear - the real no fear, a high intellect and in good physical condition to win anything these days. And, there's 20 plus more guys just as talented, smart, brave etc also wanting to win just as bad as you so a touch of good fortune doesn't hurt - well at the very least you need no bad luck.
 

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IOM is probably the most demanding race I have seen. 37.7 miles before you see the same corner again and that is a little over 17 minutes if your first name is John and your last name is McGuinness (I'm thinking about 30 minutes for the rest of us).

IOM is definitely more dangerous than any circuit course that I can think of. Fatalities in MotoGP/WSBK/Etc. are very rare. Sadly they are fairly common on road courses.
 

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John McGuiness is the most unlikely looking dude in the world but he is one seriously bad ass man... How about him backin' it in and sliding all over this year's Senior! And routinely blasting lap records from a standing start! Holy F($%! I can't imagine what its like to memorize that course to the inch like those guys do - every braking marker, turn in, apex, even clutch-in hairpin turns.. They are true heros. Lord knows IOM ain't about the money. Hell you can deliver papers and make that kinda prize money.. Its all about glory and love of sportbikes. I'm obsessed with Ulster, IOM, NW 200, Manx.... And add rain into the mix... Just wow... Although I gotta say... This right here is pretty frikkin amazing too.... Oh and this dude qualified p2 - what the hell did P1 do?!?! ---> Gotta check out this video... you might be good in the rain, but I doubt you are this good. Kito kickin ass:


https://video-lga1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hvideo-xap1/v/t42.1790-2/10994025_10153048798051743_1870481071_n.mp4?efg=eyJybHIiOjY1MSwicmxhIjo5ODZ9&rl=651&vabr=362&oh=c178fea7a17bf13e37e28093d64b9345&oe=559C031C

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Just to add to all the above, if you were a major league baseball player, and only played one game in the season that earned you your year's salary, bonuses in adverts, guest appearances etc, you'd still take part in smaller competitions but there is no way you'd risk injury in those other games which may exclude you from the big one.

Same with IOM TT riders, they'll keep their iron in smaller fires, anything that gives you saddle time is worth it, but the entire year is just a build up to the TT; that's ALL that matters to them.

Some BSB riders have tried their hand at the TT recently, and a couple got bit badly, came home in a box; it's two different things altogether, like rugby and soccer.
They both have men running around chasing a ball in a field, but that's it lol

Look at McGuiness last season, he sustained a wrist injury in downtime playing on his MX'r and his ruined his TT.
He didn't make that mistake this year lol


To accommodate some BSB riders, the NW200 have put some chicanes in to their course; the BSB riders are all about point, squirt and brake, and the previous course was difficult for them.
So now they have some chicanes there to make them feel more capable, but the pure road racers are hating it.
 

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Just to add to all the above, if you were a major league baseball player, and only played one game in the season that earned you your year's salary, bonuses in adverts, guest appearances etc, you'd still take part in smaller competitions but there is no way you'd risk injury in those other games which may exclude you from the big one.

Same with IOM TT riders, they'll keep their iron in smaller fires, anything that gives you saddle time is worth it, but the entire year is just a build up to the TT; that's ALL that matters to them.

Some BSB riders have tried their hand at the TT recently, and a couple got bit badly, came home in a box; it's two different things altogether, like rugby and soccer.
They both have men running around chasing a ball in a field, but that's it lol

Look at McGuiness last season, he sustained a wrist injury in downtime playing on his MX'r and his ruined his TT.
He didn't make that mistake this year lol


To accommodate some BSB riders, the NW200 have put some chicanes in to their course; the BSB riders are all about point, squirt and brake, and the previous course was difficult for them.
So now they have some chicanes there to make them feel more capable, but the pure road racers are hating it.
Its funny you mention the extra added kinks in the NW200 - They even look awkward when you see them rounded during the race. Sad. I didn't realize it was added for BSB riders, they always claim it was to keep the speeds down. But that's too far down.. you can hear them clutch in.
 
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