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· My bikes keep me sane.
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I wouldn't even bother with it. If he tells you that many stories, and it makes you uneasy--trust your first instinct.

Nothing worse than getting screwed over and knowing you went against your own judgment.

There's tons of other bikes out there.:thumbup
 

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JaguarsLogic said:
I called the police and the number they gave me opens at 8:00 in the morning. I tried to run a carfax and it said it had 0 data.


I called the seller again and asked if he could give a phone number to have employment verified. Here is what he said " I work as an airtraffic controller so we dont give out the number because it disturbs us from doing our job.

The registration is under his name, but not at his current address. It is still under his address in Cali, also insurance on the vehicle was last at that address.
I am also an Air Traffic Controller and he is correct we are not allowed to give out the number at all. Its a need to know basis, if we find out the number is compromised we immediately change it. If you are able to go see it in person and get it...go for it. If you are trying to buy without seeing in person and having it shipped I would pass
 

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didnt read the whole post....but a few things came to mind

1. Your not obligated at this point to buy the bike...you did not win it......so walk away

2. If you choose to buy it your not covered under safe harbor buyer protecton...so you're on your own and your breaking the regulations one way or another....the fact that he had his friend bid is pretty scammy to me

3. You buy it and its found to be stolen....your FUGGED!!

Man....don't take the chance......please just listen to these guys
 

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It sounds like it could fall either way. Here is what I am planning to do.

1. Check the vin with the police

2.get there in the morning. Ride it and make sure it is in good condition

3. Verify that the vin on it is the same vin on the auction

4. Take as much of his info as possible. I plan to make copies of the registration, his driver's license, job id badge, etc

5. Verify the loan amount with his bank. If he cannot verify this , then absolutely no deal. I am a car salesman so I know how easy this is to verify.

Matter of fact, I will send the full payoff amount myself and request the title be sent to my address. If I cant do this then I wont buy the bike.

6. I'll attempt to do a credit check and verify that he is who he says he is. Again, as a car salesman, I can do credit checks for free and instantly.

If I can verify the bike is not registered stolen, and he is who he says he is, I will take delivery. If not, I'll bounce and go look for another one.
 

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Bro........lotta stories in here.....yeah, you can buy legit stuff on ebay, and not all of it is a scam...my buddy buys and sells cars all the time on there....

Not all deals are scams....some are just doomed because the buyer/seller is an idiot/scumbag/whatever....

Walk away you do not owe him anything since you didn't win. Lots of bikes around, you'll find one.....and maybe one w/o that ugly a$$ sticker kit!
 

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1st off it is nothing to hard to change your item loaction on the ebay listing and this still says texas?? also he does have 100% but nothing in the last 3 months so you dont know if they were big $$ sales or buys as alot of people buy and sell cheap items to get there feedback up alittle??? As said before i also dont think you can run a carfax on a bike?? do more research and cross the T's and dot the I's before you buy....2000 r1 with those miles could of went for $4400.00 but its worth what ever someones wants to pay for it.......
 

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JaguarsLogic said:
It sounds like it could fall either way. Here is what I am planning to do.

1. Check the vin with the police

2.get there in the morning. Ride it and make sure it is in good condition

3. Verify that the vin on it is the same vin on the auction

4. Take as much of his info as possible. I plan to make copies of the registration, his driver's license, job id badge, etc

5. Verify the loan amount with his bank. If he cannot verify this , then absolutely no deal. I am a car salesman so I know how easy this is to verify.

Matter of fact, I will send the full payoff amount myself and request the title be sent to my address. If I cant do this then I wont buy the bike.

6. I'll attempt to do a credit check and verify that he is who he says he is. Again, as a car salesman, I can do credit checks for free and instantly.

If I can verify the bike is not registered stolen, and he is who he says he is, I will take delivery. If not, I'll bounce and go look for another one.
If you're gonna pull his credit, make sure you do so with his written consent. It's a severe FCRA violation to check his credit without his authorization. As a car salesman I'm sure you already know that.

Overall, this seems to be a shady deal. The bike is not all that either if you ask me. As someone else pointed out, the paint job looks like crap. For 5 grand, you can find something much nicer.
 

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JaguarsLogic said:
It sounds like it could fall either way. Here is what I am planning to do.

1. Check the vin with the police

2.get there in the morning. Ride it and make sure it is in good condition

3. Verify that the vin on it is the same vin on the auction

4. Take as much of his info as possible. I plan to make copies of the registration, his driver's license, job id badge, etc

5. Verify the loan amount with his bank. If he cannot verify this , then absolutely no deal. I am a car salesman so I know how easy this is to verify.

Matter of fact, I will send the full payoff amount myself and request the title be sent to my address. If I cant do this then I wont buy the bike.

6. I'll attempt to do a credit check and verify that he is who he says he is. Again, as a car salesman, I can do credit checks for free and instantly.

If I can verify the bike is not registered stolen, and he is who he says he is, I will take delivery. If not, I'll bounce and go look for another one.


You aren't listening. Walk away. Do not pursue, do not check on legitimacy. Just walk away.
 

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I think you should go with your gut instinct.
If the guy sounds genuine and he will provide all the information you need to check it out that’s normally a good sign.

I have brought my last 2 bikes off ebay in the UK (98 R1 in white and red and Aprilia V twin) and always check the bike is not recorded (We have HPI in the UK which checks if the bike has been damaged or stolen).

I never pay over the internet and just drive up with the cash - if it is what it says it is I pay and leave - if not walk away. I suppose distance might be a concern for you as it's a long way to go if the bike is a mess.

I have also sold my last bike on ebay and had no problems.

Like I say - go with your gut instinct providing all the paperwork details can be sorted.
 

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spazzypaddy said:
I think you should go with your gut instinct.
If the guy sounds genuine and he will provide all the information you need to check it out that’s normally a good sign.

Hi guys,

I went and checked it out this morning and it checked out. His name( as on his driver's license)was on the registration. I called the lien company and they verified the payoff. The lady at the lien company said she would overnight the title to me as soon as they received payoff.

Anyhow, I got stopped by a cop two minutes after taking delivery, at a gas station getting gas. He wanted to know why I did not have plates. So, I put on my best behaviour and passed the attitude test. I did not get a ticket. He was "kind" enough to run the vin though and it was not stolen. It was registered with the same guy at his old address.

anyhow, to cut a short story long, I got a good deal from an honest(well semi-honest) seller.

First thing I did was take it to the make-ready dept of my dealership and have it stripped of all the yellow-orange stuff and all the stickers. I also put the rear seat back on and took off the cowl.

The guy was kind enough to give me an expensive helmet(that wont even fit my big head), a set of gloves, and a battery tender(nice) i wonder how much battery tenders cost?

Anyhow, I am now the happy owner of a 2000 r1, with half race brakes on it. The rear tire was worn to the metal so I was scared riding it but he gave me a brand new high performance tire(at least it looks high performance)

As I said, to cut a short story long...
 

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Yamahuh said:
First of all what is wrong with people bidding from Canada?
I've bid on and won e-bay auctions when I was living in Canada, what with import duties, taxes and the exchange rates it's an expensive proposition to buy a bike that's in the US but sometimes the price justifies it. A friend of mine drove from Canada to N.Y.City to pick up a Ducati that he won in an e-bay auction.

Anyway, that's besides the point, I don't see the plates being an issue unless you normally buy a vehicle plated, in Canada when we sell a vehicle the seller keeps the plates, so everything is sold unplated.
I would be more concerned about the clear title, I would ask him for he details on the loan, institution, contacts, phone and fax number etc and contact them directly. If they are unwilling to give you specifics about the status of his loan (i.e whether it's been paid off) I'd need som eother kind of ABSOLUTE proof that it's been paid for before I parted with any of my money.
I'm not sure how things work down there but here, the seller is legally obligated to provide and informnation package generated by the Ministry of Transport which proves that the seller is the legal owner, the bike has no salvage title and there are no liens against the bike.
It makes things very simple

Bottom line, if there are red flags in your mind ...walk away ... there are loads of bikes out there.
I think his point was just that its outside the states, could be more complicatedfrom a legal standpoint.:dunno I agree to, walk away, there are plenty of R1's!!!:)
 

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i wouldnt give him the money till you get the title, sounds like he could be legit but it also sounds like it could be a scam, get as much personal info as possible from the guy, run the numbers, btw no way the guy can get a title that fast, it takes at least a week best case
:iamwithst When I won the auction for my R6 on ebay, I only gave the guy $100 deposit. Paid the remaining amount when he signed the title over to my name.
 

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I don't really thing it sounded too fishy to begin with. Like someone already said, the plates don't belong to the vehicle. They belong to the owner. When you sell your vehicle, you keep your own plates anyway, so either way, you won't get plates with the bike. If the bike is financed, of course he won't have the title in hand. It seemed like it was pretty easy to confirm everything, so I'm glad it worked out. I wouldn't buy any vehicles off of ebay either. There are just too many other places to look for bikes for sale. The only things I buy off ebay are cheap crap that would be pointless to make a scam out of.
 
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