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Hooligan
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I was sold on getting a Scotts until I went to the show this weekend. I checked out the Hyperpro. That progressive action is pretty cool. Does anyone know how it stacks up to the Scotts? When you move the bar at normal speeds it is like a regular damper, but when you move the bars quickly like a tank slapper, it stiffens right up. I like the way the Scotts looks, but the Hyperpro really works well.

The guy at the booth said that only Hyperpro has that highspeed progressive action. But he is a salesman, so that's why I'm asking all of you.
 

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hehe! Well.. I'm pretty sure that Scott has that feature too.

And my Öhlin damper should too. Otherwise, what do you need a damper for?
 

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Hyperpro is the only steering damper with the progressive action. Ohlins and Scotts rely on adjustments to give a higher or lower overall setting on the steering damper. They don't adjust like the Hyperpro. I've owned an Ohlins, but I like the Hyperpro better because it's easier to use around town because of the lighter feel until you need it.
 

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Long but informative

Scotts Steering Stabilizer Technical Information

What is a Scotts Steering Stabilizer? (patent #4,773,514)
It is a compact, fully adjustable, hydraulic shock absorbing stabilizer that mounts to your steering head area right above your handlebar mount. By helping to stabilize the front end of your motorcycle, the rear of the motorcycle will track straighter allowing the rest of your suspension to work the way it was designed to. In addition, the Scotts Steering Stabilizer eliminates that sudden thrust-affect of having the handlebars pulled from your hands after unknowingly hitting a pothole, rock or other obstacle in harms way. It has also has been proven to help minimize rider fatigue and the dreaded arm pumping situation that occurs while wrestling the front end of your bike. A Scotts Steering Stabilizer is the single greatest improvement you can make to your motorcycle. Once mounted, it eliminates the unwanted phenomenon known as “Head-shake” that is commonly associated with production motorcycles. This is more predominant now a-days due to the steeper head angles you find on production bikes. It helps keep your motorcycle going straight at speed, under heavy acceleration when he front end starts to get light and when braking hard, vastly reduces any vagueness in front end control and steering preciseness, allowing you to apex turns tighter.
How does it work?
Basically, it operates under the same principle as your front forks. Valving inside the unit reacts to the slightest of jolts that are transferred through the forks and triple clamps of your motorcycle. Internal circuitry and hydraulic valving absorbs the energy that would have been received through your handlebars. The link arm which connects the stabilizer to the frame, reacts instantaneously, absorbing any unwanted movement. Your suspension was designed to handle the vertical movement of your motorcycle. The Scotts Steering Stabilizer completes your suspension package by controlling the unwanted horizontal movement that is continually transferred to your handlebars.
Where does the Stabilizer work best?
Anywhere there are forces trying to push or pull your front end left to right. You wouldn't think of riding your bike without suspension now-a-days, so why would you let the front end flail back and forth without control. If you ride on the track, the Scotts Steering Stabilizer will soon become your best friend. You will find that it completely eliminates the head-shake and instability you get while racing at high speed. The momentum created from swinging the bike back and forth from turn to turn can also create instability that the stabilizer will subdue. It becomes a safety device in those precarious situations where the rear end may get loose and the dreaded "whip" occurs, the damper will work with you to absorb the energy trying to force you to "high side". Should you find yourself off the course in the "rough" that can be a scary experience and the front end will now have the advantage of our stabilizer assisting you in maintaining as much control as possible to try and avoid the unwanted crash. Hard acceleration creates very light contact of the front tire to the ground many times creating a severe wobble as you set the front end back down. The stabilizer again controls this behavior. Being infinitely adjustable, there is no reason not to use it. It really has no disadvantages!
Why is our Stabilizer so much better than others?
First off, our stabilizer can be adjusted while riding or racing from turn to turn if so desired. Having the damper adjustment right at your finger tips gives you a serious advantage over any other type of damper as you can adjust for road/track conditions as they change without stopping. Because of its unique mounting position, it remains generally out of harms way. Even a fairly severe "lay down" will not effect our stabilizer as it's protected from most crashes. The more common telescopic dampers are damaged in even the most trivial of crashes. Even dropping your bike can damage the telescopic type. The Scotts damper has a "high-speed" damping circuit. Most impacts and head-shake at the front wheel are "high speed" movements, where on the other hand, turning is a low speed movement. If you don't like the feeling the damper provides in turns, you can adjust it out and still retain the resistance to high speed impacts, no other damper has this feature! Not only is the damping rate and high speed circuit adjustable, but the arc of damping movement is adjustable over which it operates. So you have 3 adjustable circuits to customize your style and riding conditions.
Can the damper be mounted to other bikes I own?
Another nice feature about the Scotts damper is that it is transferable between bikes in seconds. If you have more than one bike, you only need one damper and a couple of mounting kits to be able to transfer it from bike to bike. You can use it on Saturday on your GSXR600 for a canyon ride and on Sunday switch it to your R6 for the races. Unlike suspension or motor mods that you can't take with you when you sell your bike, the damper comes right off to install on your next bike. Most applications use very simple bolt on brackets for mounting. If the Yamaha Team Factory R6's use them, it should be good enough for you.
Will it fit on any motorcycle?
At the moment we are focusing on the sport bike market. There are a few limiting factors that can prevent it from being mounted on some road bikes but the majority of bikes will be applicable. If you are interested and not sure if we make one for your bike, give us an email and we'll be glad to help you. We've helped mount our stabilizer on the fastest drag bikes in the world and the nicest cruizers in the world, so the applications have a wide range of fitment.
Is it easy to put on?
The majority of road bike applications are a pure "BOLT-ON" installation and take only 10-15 minutes to install. Our unique mounting position allows us to utilize the top steering nut for location and the rest of our kit uses existing mounting points your bike already has. There are a few exceptions to this rule but we always try to design the mounts with the customer in mind, making it as easy as possible. If you have any questions during installation we are here to help you. There is no welding and it mounts in minutes. The unit comes with a step by step instruction sheet that would make it easy even for Forest Gump. Remember though, this is a very sophisticated unit that does more for your motorcycle than any other after market improvement. You need to make sure you install it correctly to gain the maximum potential.
Does it need constant servicing like some of the other dampers I've seen?
No Way. In fact when mounted correctly it almost needs no attention at all. Just like your forks and shocks though, you'll need to give it some "TLC" after many hours of usage. It is designed so there are no wearable parts, however, Scotts Performance Products provides a complete service program should you need it. Simply UPS the unit to us in between rides or races and will put it through our ten point inspection program that includes tolerance checks and oil re-freshening. In most cases you'll have it back in time for your next ride or race.
Is it worth the investment?
Well our very best sales force are the people who own them. Just ask anyone who has one and they'll give you the speech of how they wished they had installed one sooner. It is not the only stabilizer on the market, but it is definitely the best and has more features than any of the others. Remember, we are the originator of the rotary style damper and we own the patent! If you plan to continue riding for one year or the next ten years, our stabilizer will still be there when others have long disappointed you. Our unit transfers between bikes in seconds, allowing you to switch between several bikes or upgrade easily from year to year.
Check out these features:


It is the only Stabilizer with three fully adjustable circuits.
It is the only Stabilizer that has an adjustable damping control that allows you to adjust it while riding.
It is the only Stabilizer that allows you to adjust the amount of degrees of damping you want from centerline.
It is the only Stabilizer that has a "High Speed Circuit" designed to absorb those sharp edged jolts.
It is the only Stabilizer that successfully works for every type of motorcycle application!
It is the only Stabilizer that easily moves from motorcycle to motorcycle in literally seconds.
It can be used for your casual bike and your race bike without any internal changes.
It mounts out of harms way and is not easily damaged from crashes.
It mounts in literally minutes in most cases.
 

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Sorry bout the long post but that should cover any questions. I run Scotts on mine and never had a problem. I like the idea of being able to stiffin the steering for everyday riding(stunting) great for stoppies. The Hyperpro does not offer that,but is an excellent damper for the real purpose.
 

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damper

Actually the Ohlins does flop on the steering head bolt and not the triple clamp. I believe I am that friend Twisted is talking about (Hi twisted Logic). :hellobye I'm going to put a small piece of rubber between the damper and the bolt to take care of the problem.
When I ordered my R1, I rolled in a Scotts damper to be included. It was discounted nicely when I bought the bike. Hell, I also got a Pitbull stand, Vanson leather jacket at discount. Anyway, they did not have a Scotts in inventory-so I waited. Later-still no damper recieved. Finally, they said they would give my the Ohlins (which was more $$) at the same cost I already paid and take it home right then. I was sceptical, but they said they were not having good luck with these Scotts dampers. The dealership told me they where having returned Scotts dampers come in that basically blew out. That is, leaking fluid and all the mess that comes with it. They metioned they were trying to work this out with the supplier and that was the hold up.
In conclusion, maybe it was :bs or maybe it wasn't. I took the Ohlin's home that day. I was happy and I felt like I got a value..
My question is " has anyone experienced or heard of this being a prevelant problem?
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The Hyperpro does have low speed adjustment right on the piston so you can change it as you like. Stiffen it for stunts and highway riding, soften it for town roads.

All I know is the the Hyperpro active control is really nice and the setup for the R1 is pretty clean. I think the rotary style looks cleaner but I will probably go with the Hyperpro. The benefit is that you can adjust the damping all the way down to make it invisible, but if the head starts to shake it automatically stiffens the damper. The faster it shakes the stiffer it gets and then goes back to your setting. To me, a steering damper is a safetly device and this one seems to do the job the best.


www.hyperpro.com
 

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Mounting style is most important !

Hi, I have a Sprint damper on my R1. It's mounted to the headbolt and the top tank bolt. I'm prepared to give it away for a mounting system where you don't have to undo the soft aluminum headbolt everytime you want to peek under the tank. And then out comes the torque wrench when you want to close it.

It is nice though, the Sprint has 13 settings and I normally run it on 3 or 4 so I can get feedback through corners, but when I start doing highspeed runs, it is easy to move the left hand a bit and I crank it all the way up.

Regardless of the make of the damper, I would not recommend a mounting system that requires you to remove it in order to lift the tank !
 

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I have the öhlins steering damper, an i like it.
i have never had a real nasty tankslapper(fortunately)
so i dont know how well it will stop a slapper.
But i´ve been told by people who know that it works great.It also feels good when i flick the bars fast,and that is in the medium setting.
+ it looks the business :cool:
Another good thing is that all the parts can be changed,if they are worn out.
 
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