[R6NudeRider]

will you post the way you take a turn/corner on a high speed. starting from upright to full lean position, how you counter steer, body position, how your arms act on the steering bar(this i need to know the most), etc.

need your help to improve :riding...

thanks in advance

 

[Eyespy]

Please read the "Why countersteer?" thread, and then post back with any questions that remain unanswered, if there even are any at that point.

 

[===>R1<===]

Please read the "Why countersteer?" thread, and then post back with any questions that remain unanswered, if there even are any at that point.

:::::::::::::searching "why countersteer" thread now::::::::::: :thumbup

 

[R6NudeRider]

Eyespy , i have came over the "why countersteer" post before and i got confused. all what i wanted is to know experienced people tech on taking turns, then apply them and decide which does the best 4 me.

in the countersteer post i got confused with the way you push (forward) or pull (toward tank) on the bar ends based on what people wrote. for example, i pull the left lever inside toward tank -> bike lean on L side....OR if i push the left lever forward -> bike leans right... which one is correct, safer? + the combination if you made wrong prediction about the turn.

again, thank Eyespy for your reply just wanted to know how better people :riding

 

[Eyespy]

Eyespy , i have came over the "why countersteer" post before and i got confused. all what i wanted is to know experienced people tech on taking turns, then apply them and decide which does the best 4 me.

in the countersteer post i got confused with the way you push (forward) or pull (toward tank) on the bar ends based on what people wrote. for example, i pull the left lever inside toward tank -> bike lean on L side....OR if i push the left lever forward -> bike leans right... which one is correct, safer? + the combination if you made wrong prediction about the turn.

again, thank Eyespy for your reply just wanted to know how better people :riding

Both are incorrect, since neither example you provided would result in the outcome you suggested. If you pull back on the left bar, the bike will lean to the right (not to the left as you suggest). If you push forward on the left bar, the bike will lean to the left (not to the right as you suggest). I don't think you've read the thread all the way through and have a good handle on it.

 

[R6NudeRider]

Eyespy you are right, i switched the sides where bike will lean...my bad i was reading too much, thanks for fixin my miss.

now,

1. when do you expect the front tire to skid? i mean when are you going to skid and loose control? cuz apparently when you pull the left lever, tire will direct to the left, but you are actually going right...or this is not possible?

2. is this like cars? when they test a car on a track and you see it skidding on every turn, you will notice that the front tire is directed the other way? left turn-> tires are steered to the right. is this more about weight re-distribution.

3. can you tell me how your hands act on the steering in the middle of your high speed turn. do you keep the countersteer or prefer push down and put more wight in the front+leaning hard??

i guess its going to be me and you Eyespy. thanks for you replys i do appreciate it

 

[Eyespy]

Eyespy you are right, i switched the sides where bike will lean...my bad i was reading too much, thanks for fixin my miss.

now,

1. when do you expect the front tire to skid? i mean when are you going to skid and loose control? cuz apparently when you pull the left lever, tire will direct to the left, but you are actually going right...or this is not possible?

2. is this like cars? when they test a car on a track and you see it skidding on every turn, you will notice that the front tire is directed the other way? left turn-> tires are steered to the right. is this more about weight re-distribution.

3. can you tell me how your hands act on the steering in the middle of your high speed turn. do you keep the countersteer or prefer push down and put more wight in the front+leaning hard??

i guess its going to be me and you Eyespy. thanks for you replys i do appreciate it

Ok, this is covered in the thread, but I will address this question. THe countersteering input does turn the front wheel in the direction opposite the intended turn as you correctly pointed out. This has the effect of steering the front tire out from under the motorcycle and upsets its balance and straight line stability. AN object in motion wants to stay in motion until outside forces act on it. If the bike is traveling straight down the road, and you steer it to the left, its mass and momentum want to keep the bike moving in the forward direction. As the front wheel is steered out from the line of travel, the bike starts to fall in/lean to the right. The action of the initial countersteering input initiates the lean in the direction of the intended turn by steering the front wheel initially in the direction opposite of the intended turn. This is an unstable condition, and if left in this way, the motorcycle would simply lean to the right until it fell down. But there is trail built into the front geometry. After the initial countersteering input to establish the degree of lean needed, the forward pressure on the inside bar (the right bar in this left turn example, or a rearward pull on the left bar, or a combination of the above) is released, and the trail will resteer the front wheel towards the direction of the turn and restabilize the bike as it courses around the arc of the turn......until some new external force acts on the system to change this new state of equilibrium. Such a force may be a subsequent rider steering input for example, such as a countersteering input to the right, which will have the opposite effect of the initial countersteering input, and cause the bike to start to stand back up, reducing the lean to the right, by steering the front wheel back under the motorcycle, where its mass and momentum will then act to staighten up the motorcyle and exit the turn.

 

[adey]

will you post the way you take a turn/corner on a high speed. starting from upright to full lean position, how you counter steer, body position, how your arms act on the steering bar(this i need to know the most), etc.

need your help to improve :riding...

thanks in advance

you need to watch some race dvd's to see how the pro's do it.

as far as counter steering goes...if you don't master it...don't taking any fast corners or quick moves.
i find most guys on the street can go fast in a straight line.
as soon as the corner comes they all slow down. they try to lean with their body alone...without coutnersteering.
gotta learn how to arrest your lean angle with maintenance throttle. or by countersteering.
you should just go pick up "Sport Riding Techniques" and a 2005 motogp review.

practice swerving...gotta know how to maneuver that bike before you even think about taking fast corners buddy.
not bragging...but i've taken highway turns at 185 and up. just reading the speedo...i know its off.
but most guys say "oh those are highway sweepers"...that sweeper is nothing at 120...but once you're doing over 160 that bike wants to go straight...so you gotta lean and counter steer to get her down on her ear...anyway
good luck:thumbup

 

[Eyespy]

Re: Re: your way on a corner

i find most guys on the street can go fast in a straight line.
as soon as the corner comes they all slow down. they try to lean with their body alone...without coutnersteering.

Oh, I guarrantee they are countersteering. Whether they know that or understand that they are is another matter.

 

[adey]

Re: Re: Re: your way on a corner

Oh, I guarrantee they are countersteering. Whether they know that or understand that they are is another matter.

true

 

[streetjester]

look You want a counter streering for dummy's then get keith codes second book. Best 20 bucks you will ever spend.

 

[adey]

will you post the way you take a turn/corner on a high speed. starting from upright to full lean position, how you counter steer, body position, how your arms act on the steering bar(this i need to know the most), etc.

need your help to improve :riding...

thanks in advance

everyone has their own riding style. you have to ride with some good guys and take a little something from each of them. and create your own style.
and depending on the speed of the turn determines how close you will be clinging to the bike.
when i'm leaning at 186mph i'm clinging on the bike for life support. but at like 140-175...i can shift my weight more and lean off and hold the bike up for tire grip.

i found a few pics of pros for you.

 

[adey]

Re: Re: your way on a corner

the faster i go the more aggressive i get wit my riding position, leading with my shoulders...my elbows hit my quad or knee.

 

[adey]

obviously thats not me...but i'm trying to show this kid some examples

 

[ando11]

obviously thats not me...but i'm trying to show this kid some examples

shit, i thought it was you.

 

[adey]

shit, i thought it was you.

i knew there would be some smartass out there...had to state it first.:lol

 

[VoodooDsims]

look You want a counter streering for dummy's then get keith codes second book. Best 20 bucks you will ever spend.

I have both books AND both DVD's. Best suggestion to this thread thus far with the exception of one of Keith's Schools. Also, he is a forum member and sponsor.

Voodoo

 

[Southern118]

I have both books AND both DVD's. Best suggestion to this thread thus far with the exception of one of Keith's Schools. Also, he is a forum member and sponsor.

Voodoo

so voofoo no more brakes for you in the middle of corners nex tyear

 

[VoodooDsims]

so voofoo no more brakes for you in the middle of corners nex tyear

We will see.

Voofoo

 

[streetjester]

I have both books AND both DVD's. Best suggestion to this thread thus far with the exception of one of Keith's Schools. Also, he is a forum member and sponsor.

Voodoo

First thank you I try to help. Second are the DVD any good do they give you more insight. Also where did you get the DVD of the second book.