[daryn c]

funny how every car vs bike video i see is like, a evo with almost 900hp or a supra with 1000hp trying to beat a R1.?.... i never see them trying to race any other bike . its always R1's

 

[frostyR71]

If that is an AMS team car and Martin built it then it is probably making over 800hp at the crank, that I have no doubt about. As for it not being a fast car, it isn't slow by any means, but doesn't compare to Martin's silver bomber Evo. On the street Martin's has never been beaten period, bike or car. Its first time out it went a 9.41 at 157, with no nitrous, sliicks and a complete, down to the last screw interior! This is not a drag car either, and he goes as far as to take it out onto road courses to prove it. He's had to debadge it to even get a race from anyone. As for the race video of the Evo, if it did have a 2.3 stroker and did go from a 45 mph role it lost because of both. The 2.3 is a good build motor for torque and for spooling a big turbo, but it lacks the ability to rev as high as is needed against a bike. Martin's silver Evo is a 2 liter and can get up well past 10000 rpms which gives him the ability to rev through the gears with all his power coming up top just like a bike. If you ever see a Supra or RX-7 with a large turbo they act the same way as Martin's Evo, no power down low and then wham you running a buck 90 and still accelerating! You have to give up the torque curve to gain the top end needed. With the 2.3 you lose the lag of the 42R for the most part, but you will never be able to rev as high, forcing you into a quick romp through the gears without giving you the necessary speed to run up top with the bikes. As for a roll race, the powerlose for an AWD car is huge once you get up to speed. The two AWD car exceptions are the Skyline and the later 9 series Porsche cars, as their awd systems are more electronical than mechanical and change the amount of power applied to the wheels from launch till redline in 6th creating an awd drive style launch and then changing over into a rear wheel drive top end run. In a high horsepower DSM or Evo the 0 to 130 or 140 is where the real speed lies. After that they usually fall off. I say usually because Shepherd and Martin from AMS have proved what can be done if you really want it. As for the car running 38 psi, it wasn't. I'm guessing high 20's because of the sound. Any car running near 2 bar is going to be louder than that, especially an DSM or Evo. From what I heard it sounded like he also missed 5th or 6th and pulled off. This is just my opinion and nothing more. I've been a DSMer for nearly six years now and have owned 4 GSX's. My last one was built in conjunction with AMS, Shepracing, and Road Race Engineering. It was the one of the baddest 2.4 I've ever seen or heard of. I made 468 whp at 26 pounds on 93 octane. Never maxed it out on a dyno, but I turned the boost up to 41 pounds a couple times on the street. On street tires I couldn't keep the tires from spinning through 3rd and chirping forth. Only reason I hated the car was the damn transmission, and after the forth street/race tran parted the car out. Did you need to know all this, no, but I'm bored and Mitsubishi's are one thing I know so I just wanted to share. Thanks.:fork

And that means what exactly?

And to get your Mitsy evo up to 600+ BHP will cost tens of thousands of pounds..... so whats the 0 - 100 time? for a kev'd up mitsy?

 

[R1-Reaper]

What all that meant is that the 4G63 in the Evo is a beast and that the Evo can and does run with bikes on both straights and road courses. As for the tens of thousands of dollars required to put an Evo at 600whp, your wrong. A stock Evo is capable of 530 to 550whp on stock enternals. Given a GT 42R, a good fuel setup with 1600cc injectors, custom intercooler, 3.5 inch exhaust, a good exhaust manifold,cams, and an EMS system and your there. So assuming you pay full retail your looking at around $12,000 also assuming you know how to work on the car and your not paying for labor. I also said "good" parts in my description. To get to the 800 and 900whp mark would take serious money because when you reach the upper limits of tuning, custom one off pieces are the only way to go. As for 600whp it can be achieved easily enough if you know what your doing, but also understand that to do it completely right would cost more. As for 0 to 100 times I've seen many Evo's with mid 500whp dyno runs post low 6 second, very high 5 second 20 to 100 runs. I have never seen a 900whp Evo go 0 to 100 but I assume it could do it in the mid 5 second range. I see that FrostyR71 you are in England. The world's most powerful Evo is from there, an Evo VI I believe. It makes over a 1000hp at the crank and high 900whp to the ground. If you are really interested in just what an Evo is capable of try to search for the builder of it. He is the type that puts thousands into an Evo, a $160,000 if I'm not mistaken.

 

[THECLAYTON]

There is an 1180 HP Supra here in Houston that gives many liter bikes a run for their money. I am not sure exactly what he has done to it, but it is an awesome machine. Trkstarr, the creator of this thread, can tell you more about the car than I can. He knows the owner.

 

[R1-Reaper]

Texas has many fast, high horsepower Supra's, along with many other western states. There was a guy named Steven in Knoxville, Tn that I met a couple of times with a 1000hp supra. He had about $80,000 in the motor alone. Titan Motorsports was the builder and Jason from AEM was the tuner, but even they managed to blow it up once. He was pissed when one of them told him "looks like a long tow ride home". He went after the guy with a f***ing wrench. It was a very fast car, and other than Shep's 7.90 Talon I've never seen a faster street car in real life. The last I heard a guy named Saad Saad from Phoenix owned the high horsepower record. I know it is over 1100 by quite a bit, but given the Supra communities insanely relentless owners, I won't guess. In their world, the top horsepower cars owners would gladly spend a couple hundred thousand dollars to claim 5 more horsepower than their nearest competition. So when people are always ranting about a 1000hp Supra here and a 1300hp Supra there, owners get both pissed and frenzied. I don't doubt your friend knows a guy with a Supra with that much horsepower, I just think its funny how crazed the Supra forums get when rumors of a new high horsepower car surfaces. People literally go into seclusion for months tearing down $100,000 motor and starting over with their builders trying to find out if the rumored horsepower is capable or if some 12 year old is just f***king with them. I think they need to just donate to my bank account, buy an Enzo and accept a 1300 horsepower Supra is just as f***ing awesome as one with 1301 horsepower.:finger

 

[trkstarr]

True...Those guys can be a little crazy with the power.

 

[R1-Reaper]

A little crazy probably doesn't even scratch the surface when your talking about those guys. I would say its the most competitive forum ever created. They are helpful in general, but all of them are extremely secretive about their project builds. Believe me when I say you could find out what the new R1 looks like from Yamaha before you would ever here a peep out of a Supra owner on how muck horsepower their latest project is dynoing at.

 

[Tweak]

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