[metalwizard]

The 1911 is a single stack, so much thinner than the S&W Sigma I have right now. I've had my eyes open for a subcompact for awhile now. The holster you linked is exactly what I was thinking of. Man, that thing is serious!!! Looks like you could take a serious tumble without that thing dislodging. How is it for drawing your weapon? Looks like it could take some time to get into in a pinch. Thanks for the link man.

it has two different lock positions, in one mode there is a little tab and a snap, you push out (away from your leg) as you put your hand on the wepon and its open. almost no effort whatsoever.

in the other mode, you have a velcro strap over that tap and snap, so to draw you ave to open the veclro then hit the tab and your ready to rock!!

the whole thing is adjustable. so it can be made very comfortable for anyone to carry. if you adjust it as small (legnth wise) as it goes you can clip it to your belt without the leg straps and use it that way too.

excellent holster. i just wish they made one for my S&W m22a, it has an ampoint laser and a BSA redot scope on it... tough to find a holster that works with it.. of course it just a plinker...

 

[wanar1]

??? What are u talking about? You just proved (by saying that anybody can open carry...its one of our rights Post #200) that NOBODY should take advice from you. And now you reply with this nonsense. You can't be THAT "special" and ride a hi-performance bike. :dundun: And I really hope u don't have access to a firearm.

Well luike every one else said.... They CAN carry open... But in there state it's a no win no lose... If they do they there is a possibility of getting a ticket.....

But if you want my shiaty advice check out packing.org and if that doesnt do it for you call your sherif.......

 

[See ya!]

I suck too much to ride an R1, period.

Haha and im chilled man, literally. It F**ckin snowed here yesterday! Anyways, ill gladly stay in canada, its CLEAN, SAFE, and UNCROWDED. I invite any of you NORMAL americans to come up here and see first hand how nice it is not to have to pack heat around with you. Life without paranoia is grand let me tell you.

And get this.

No one cares of janet jacksons tit falls out. Tits are allowed on tv here, every friday. You can drink water from the tap and it tastes better than bottled. Beer gets you twice as drunk in half the time.

AND

You can even leave your door unlocked if you want, and nobody will steal anything....

and Canada still sucks.....go figure....

 

[Kieron]

Did you miss the whole
"the right of the people to keep and bear arms" part?

Libs love to read only what interests them.
It's near impossible to argue against ignorance .

The police quit, but the national guard was given orders to confiscate.

speed everybody loves to read the part that supports there point of view... not just the libs....

so i can keep and bear arms as part of a "well regulated militia"....still sounds like you are in support of gun control....

also remeber speed I AM A LIBERAL THAT LIKES GUNS AND SES NO POINT IN GUN CONTROL..... we are on the same side for this issue....

difference between me and you is i am not blinded by my opinions and will listen to others and play devils advocate



p.s. national guard should have been given orders to shott the police...quitting during a disaster is TREASON in my book :fact

 

[Kieron]

Ugh.. another gun thread.. this is gonna get ugly!

no itsa the same one i checked the begining it started in 2004 someone resurrected the dead

 

[wanar1]

p.s. national guard should have been given orders to shott the police...quitting during a disaster is TREASON in my book :fact

:stpd:

 

[ImNotAsCoolAsU]

speed everybody loves to read the part that supports there point of view... not just the libs....

so i can keep and bear arms as part of a "well regulated militia"....still sounds like you are in support of gun control....

also remeber speed I AM A LIBERAL THAT LIKES GUNS AND SES NO POINT IN GUN CONTROL..... we are on the same side for this issue....

difference between me and you is i am not blinded by my opinions and will listen to others and play devils advocate



p.s. national guard should have been given orders to shott the police...quitting during a disaster is TREASON in my book :fact

It says a well regulated militia is important so guns should be in the hands of the people. Not guns are needed FOR the militia. BTW the national guard was created over a hundred years AFTER the bill of rights. I would guess that means the founding fathers didn't mean the national guard they meant the people just like they said, or they would've created the national guard seeing as many of them were presidents shortly after writing the amendment.

And don't argue they didn't plan for the types of guns we have today, that's why it's a living document, if times change and THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE believe the law should as well, there is a system to change the document (It's not interpretation, they're called amendments)

Lastly by no means do I agree with cops quitting, but they are civilians and have the right to do so no matter what conditions they are in. I don't believe they should ever be in civil service jobs again, they just proved when the going gets tough they get going. But that doesn't give you any right to label them traitors. Would you label a blackwater employee a traitor if he decided Iraq sucked and he wanted to quit? They are civilians assigned with the task of protecting Americans and American interest just like cops.

 

[Kieron]

It says a well regulated militia is important so guns should be in the hands of the people. Not guns are needed FOR the militia. BTW the national guard was created over a hundred years AFTER the bill of rights. I would guess that means the founding fathers didn't mean the national guard they meant the people just like they said, or they would've created the national guard seeing as many of them were presidents shortly after writing the amendment.

And don't argue they didn't plan for the types of guns we have today, that's why it's a living document, if times change and THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE believe the law should as well, there is a system to change the document (It's not interpretation, they're called amendments)

Lastly by no means do I agree with cops quitting, but they are civilians and have the right to do so no matter what conditions they are in. I don't believe they should ever be in civil service jobs again, they just proved when the going gets tough they get going. But that doesn't give you any right to label them traitors. Would you label a blackwater employee a traitor if he decided Iraq sucked and he wanted to quit? They are civilians assigned with the task of protecting Americans and American interest just like cops.

get off your founding fathers kick....

when the founding fathers wrote the bill of rights, "the people" it gave rights to were white, males....period end of story.

So are you saying only white males should have rights...no....


keeping on that line of thought, they gave the right to keep and bear arms 100 years before the national guard, therefore it meant everybody...

now that we have a national guard as a living document it can change to reflect the fact that a well regulated militia exists...


cops are sworn to protect and serve, just like us military, if they are just "civilians" hired to do a job, why do courts handle cop murders/shootings different. Fine next time a cop get shot by some crook, we'll see if he is "just another civilian".

Doctors, nurses, firemen, military etc. we all understand we accept more resposibility by choosing our profession. And in times of emergency we step up to that responsibility or pay the consequences....


contractors in Iraq arent sworn to do anything, and have no trng to deal with combat.... if they are combat trained and quit in the middle of a firefight leaving there friends behind, i would beat the shit outta them too...

P.S.
stop tryin to convince me about the right to bear arms. i agree i like guns, but your "well organized militia" arguement is so fulla holes your destroying your own cause

 

[speed soldier]

get off your founding fathers kick....

when the founding fathers wrote the bill of rights, "the people" it gave rights to were white, males....period end of story.

So are you saying only white males should have rights...no....


keeping on that line of thought, they gave the right to keep and bear arms 100 years before the national guard, therefore it meant everybody...

now that we have a national guard as a living document it can change to reflect the fact that a well regulated militia exists...


cops are sworn to protect and serve, just like us military, if they are just "civilians" hired to do a job, why do courts handle cop murders/shootings different. Fine next time a cop get shot by some crook, we'll see if he is "just another civilian".

Doctors, nurses, firemen, military etc. we all understand we accept more resposibility by choosing our profession. And in times of emergency we step up to that responsibility or pay the consequences....


contractors in Iraq arent sworn to do anything, and have no trng to deal with combat.... if they are combat trained and quit in the middle of a firefight leaving there friends behind, i would beat the shit outta them too...

P.S.
stop tryin to convince me about the right to bear arms. i agree i like guns, but your "well organized militia" arguement is so fulla holes your destroying your own cause

misinformed, yes the amendment only pertained to white males, why is this?
Mainly because amendments only pertain to citizens of the United States! Slaves were not considered citizens and therefore had no constitutional rights! So nowhere in the constitution did it say only white males can have weapons, you just used your liberal reasoning skills (a hell of a weak one) to argue the writing in an amendment that says no such thing.:dundun:
The national guard is not a militia!
The rights of the people to bear arms is just that, the people. That is why a comma separates both statements.

As to why the police quit, well when most of the city was flooded and under utter chaos guess what, they have families and homes too. They had to protect their own also.
It's easy to judge when you sit at home in comfort, Have you ever been through a bad hurricane? I have (hurricane andrew) and that was just a little kid compared to Katrina.



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[Kieron]

misinformed, yes the amendment only pertained to white males, why is this?
Mainly because amendments only pertain to citizens of the United States! Slaves were not considered citizens and therefore had no constitutional rights! So nowhere in the constitution did it say only white males can have weapons, you just used your liberal reasoning skills (a hell of a weak one) to argue the writing in an amendment that says no such thing.:dundun:
The national guard is not a militia!
The rights of the people to bear arms is just that, the people. That is why a comma separates both statements.

As to why the police quit, well when most of the city was flooded and under utter chaos guess what, they have families and homes too. They had to protect their own also.
It's easy to judge when you sit at home in comfort, Have you ever been through a bad hurricane? I have (hurricane andrew) and that was just a little kid compared to Katrina.



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born in bermuda 500nm from any land, on a 1 mile wide island, and we get hurricanes, lived in miami 2001-2005, when hurricanes hit i got evacuated to VA to setup remote command center and had to leave my wife in FL to fend for herself, now in PR... if hurricanes hit i have to maitain communications and respond to people in need and now my family is in key west.....


i know first hand what its like to leave your family to fend for themsleves, that is why you prepare before hurricane season so they are capable and
I DO MY DUTY....


the only time I will be allowed the FREEEDOM to check on my own family is when there is no threat...which means they are OK....


THE POLICE HAVE SWORN IN JUST LIKE I DID. When you SWEAR to complete a duty to me its important, and you plan your life knowing when the shit hits the fan you have to go help others not yourself

 

[speed soldier]

you have a good point about that kieron, and that is the right thing to do when there are planned structures. However fortunately, there hasn't been a levy break that has flooded your whole city upto the rooftops, try managing that!

And you still make no commenat about your attempt at making the 2nd ammendment a racist one.

 

[Kieron]

i wasnt tryin to make it a race thing, i was pointing out his "living document" statement and the fact that many things have changed since then... hell back then 95 percent of people were hunting and farming for there dinners, not goin to the grocery store...

I find it amusing that as a living document changes that support your way of thinkg are evolution, changes that support other points of view are anti american and unconstitutional... i am just playing devils advocate here....


as far as flooding up to the roof... remeber the scenes of Cg helo's pluckin people off rooftops, what about their families?? or the comms guys talkin to the helo's on the radio (people like me) they have families too, there houses were flooded up the the roof and they were out helping others not checkin on their own stuff....

I stand by my statement public servants (military, fire, police) have a duty in times of emergency, NO ESCUSES... you'll never get another answer out of me for that....

 

[speed soldier]

i wasnt tryin to make it a race thing, i was pointing out his "living document" statement and the fact that many things have changed since then... hell back then 95 percent of people were hunting and farming for there dinners, not goin to the grocery store...

I find it amusing that as a living document changes that support your way of thinkg are evolution, changes that support other points of view are anti american and unconstitutional... i am just playing devils advocate here....


as far as flooding up to the roof... remeber the scenes of Cg helo's pluckin people off rooftops, what about their families?? or the comms guys talkin to the helo's on the radio (people like me) they have families too, there houses were flooded up the the roof and they were out helping others not checkin on their own stuff....

I stand by my statement public servants (military, fire, police) have a duty in times of emergency, NO ESCUSES... you'll never get another answer out of me for that....

I agree things can change, But not anything that is a right.
Laws change, but any law that violates a right does not fly well with me.

 

[Kieron]

all laws are there to limit your rights...


Free speech is a right...

but only to the point where it reaches harrasment/assualt your free speech becomes a crime.

I dont follow your explanation that comma's are used to seprate 2 seperate ideas.

As it is written there are 2 commas. The section in the middle is used to clarify the surrounding section.
i.e. I hate when people, like speed, grasp at anything to defend a position without listening to the other point of view.

This is not an attack on you speed, it is an example of the punctuation you claim proves your point. the middle section only clarifies the surrounding sentence.


I still dont see where it says every ammerican has the right to own 5 howitzers, 6 rocket launchers, and a handful of claymore mines?

Its funny we are debating this when we agree that gun ownership is a good thing :lol :fact

 

[ImNotAsCoolAsU]

get off your founding fathers kick....

when the founding fathers wrote the bill of rights, "the people" it gave rights to were white, males....period end of story.

So are you saying only white males should have rights...no....


keeping on that line of thought, they gave the right to keep and bear arms 100 years before the national guard, therefore it meant everybody...

now that we have a national guard as a living document it can change to reflect the fact that a well regulated militia exists...

Then the document can be chaged through the process created for that sole purpose, assuming the people as a whole agree with that change. *crickets*

i wasnt tryin to make it a race thing, i was pointing out his "living document" statement and the fact that many things have changed since then... hell back then 95 percent of people were hunting and farming for there dinners, not goin to the grocery store...

I find it amusing that as a living document changes that support your way of thinkg are evolution, changes that support other points of view are anti american and unconstitutional... i am just playing devils advocate here....

see above, you don't change the law by just reading it different, you change the law not the way you word your interpretation, or ignoring the punctuation, etc to change the implied meaning.

 

[Kieron]

Then the document can be chaged through the process created for that sole purpose, assuming the people as a whole agree with that change. *crickets*


see above, you don't change the law by just reading it different, you change the law not the way you word your interpretation, or ignoring the punctuation, etc to change the implied meaning.

now we all no majority rule isnt the case in america...

I dont have the numbers but i would guess less than half the population own guns at this point, but if it were put to a majority vote, special interesyt and lobbyist would block it based on your argument that

"A well regulated militia, being necesarry to the security of a free state, the right to bear arms shall not be infringed"

that the commas seprerate different ideas is flawed. Commas seperate clarification of the same idea, in the case of amendment 2 it is a well regulated militia (i.e. gun control )

see amendment 3 for another exmple of one idea with clarification seperated by commas.

Different ideas are seprated by semi-colon's....see amendment 1 for an example of different ideas seperated by semi-colons.

stop using the punctuation argument it is flawed... find another one...

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.billofrights.html

 

[speed soldier]

now we all no majority rule isnt the case in america...

I dont have the numbers but i would guess less than half the population own guns at this point, but if it were put to a majority vote, special interesyt and lobbyist would block it based on your argument that


that the commas seprerate different ideas is flawed. Commas seperate clarification of the same idea, in the case of amendment 2 it is a well regulated militia (i.e. gun control )

see amendment 3 for another exmple of one idea with clarification seperated by commas.

Different ideas are seprated by semi-colon's....see amendment 1 for an example of different ideas seperated by semi-colons.

stop using the punctuation argument it is flawed... find another one...

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.billofrights.html

At this point I believe you are just trying to stir some shit.
I've seen little sheds of intelligence in some of your posts, but everything you just said is, well retarded.
I hope you are just playing devil's advocate.

 

[Dennis72]

kel-tec p-3at in a desantis nemesis pocket holster, in my front pocket. the only way to fly.

 

[yamabunga]

The compartment is too darn small. My S & W 5 shot barely fits. Have it on your body or don't carry one at all.

 

[Kieron]

At this point I believe you are just trying to stir some shit.
I've seen little sheds of intelligence in some of your posts, but everything you just said is, well retarded.
I hope you are just playing devil's advocate.

yes i am playing devils advocate....

but someone stated that the commas in the 2nd amendment separate 2 different ideas.
1. the right to have a well regulated militia
2. the right of an individual to bear arms

i was showing that is completely false...

u find that retarded