[Madski]

:saw: fawk it! i'm upgrading to the star trek enterprise next season..:hammer:

But stay away from the E model, it's much too fast :fact

 

[Creeping Death]

I guess you didn't read the last line of his post #705 and I love how you keep going on about these analogies when I only made one. And yeah, Matt though it was silly but thats ok. Because his attitude is 100x better than yours he's ok in my book. I don't care if he thinks something I say is rediculous. He has my respect because he showed me some. Had you not been an a$$hole you would have mine as well. But, because of your arrogance you never will. :fingr:

Oh well, gotta go to work. see ya later :fingr:

 

[Madski]

Honestly, your respect is very low on the list of things I lack. Someday, if you live long enough, when you actually have something of value to add I may reconsider. Until then I am glad to wear the lack of your 'respect' as a badge of honor.

 

[Matt600r]

How did I become the middle man? That's what I get for agreeing with both parties I guess. :lol

An R1 for a first bike is not a good idea and I think Creeping Death is aware of that. Fortunately Creeping Death, you haven't been seriously hurt or killed yet, and I hope it stays that way. Please be safe and respect the bike, because all it takes is one slip up on one of these bikes, and it could be your last. A 1000 is not as forgiving as a 600. Yes you can still kill yourself just as easily on a 600 as a 1000 (As you've stated) if your acting like an idiot. But with an R1 it's not as easily recoverable and can surprise you, even when you're doing nothing wrong. And if you're inexperienced, you won't know what hit you till you're laying face down on the ground. I'm sure you are aware of this, but never hurts to remind anyone right?


All I would say, (and what I believe Madski is saying as well)...........is try not to convince other new riders you may run into that getting an R1 is a good first bike. Whether it's a friend, or some random guy that starts talking to you while your pumping gas at the gas station. I would recommend making it aware to anyone who may ask you about bikes that they should start on something smaller. i.e SV650, Ninja 250, or maybe even some beat up old 80's style Honda with the banana seat that you can find on craigslist for 500 bucks. :lol

That is all.

 

[thesoapster]

try not to convince other new riders you may run into that getting an R1 is a good first bike. Whether it's a friend, or some random guy that starts talking to you while your pumping gas at the gas station. I would recommend making it aware to anyone who may ask you about bikes that they should start on something smaller. i.e SV650, Ninja 250, or maybe even some beat up old 80's style Honda with the banana seat that you can find on craigslist for 500 bucks. :lol

I started on a used 600 and even I caution new riders about that. I didn't seek out advice from a good enough range of riders as I should have. The ones I talked to said it would be fine. I did do OK (no drops, wrecks, etc), but I have said before and still do believe that I hindered my growth as a rider by starting on an i4 600. I would have done better on a smaller twin.

 

[Creeping Death]

How did I become the middle man? That's what I get for agreeing with both parties I guess. :lol

An R1 for a first bike is not a good idea and I think Creeping Death is aware of that. Fortunately Creeping Death, you haven't been seriously hurt or killed yet, and I hope it stays that way. Please be safe and respect the bike, because all it takes is one slip up on one of these bikes, and it could be your last. A 1000 is not as forgiving as a 600. Yes you can still kill yourself just as easily on a 600 as a 1000 (As you've stated) if your acting like an idiot. But with an R1 it's not as easily recoverable and can surprise you, even when you're doing nothing wrong. And if you're inexperienced, you won't know what hit you till you're laying face down on the ground. I'm sure you are aware of this, but never hurts to remind anyone right?


All I would say, (and what I believe Madski is saying as well)...........is try not to convince other new riders you may run into that getting an R1 is a good first bike. Whether it's a friend, or some random guy that starts talking to you while your pumping gas at the gas station. I would recommend making it aware to anyone who may ask you about bikes that they should start on something smaller. i.e SV650, Ninja 250, or maybe even some beat up old 80's style Honda with the banana seat that you can find on craigslist for 500 bucks. :lol

That is all.

I would never recommend an R1 or any other sportbike of any displacement as a first bike. I would tell them what your telling me, it's a bad idea. However, I still believe that certain individuals such as myself can handle a liter bike without killing themselves. But, since its impossible to know anyone well enough to make that determination I would certainly err on the side of caution and recommend starting small.

As i stated in my first post my R1 is technically not my first bike. I started on a 4 stroke enduro to a Blaster to a Banshee to a 600 Hurricane. I know the first three aren't the same thing, I'm just saying I didn't start from scratch on my R1. The Banshee did however teach me the hard way to respect powerful machines, spent 3 days in the hospital a week to the day after I bought it. I also did a lot of stupid things on my Hurricane and it's just luck I didn't die. I've had 17 years to think of all the idiotic things I did, the wrecks, the road rash, and the close calls that could have killed me. That is part of why I feel I am just as safe on an R1 as a 600.

 

[Creeping Death]

Before Professor Madski sh!t$ himself and starts jumping up and down giggling like a little school girl because he sees an opportunity to flame me for poor statement allow me to correct one thing on my last post.

"err on the side of caution" was not what I meant and a poor choice of words. To advise against a liter bike as a first bike would in no means be an error. What I should have said was "choose to be cautious"

 

[Chop]

I rode 125 and 200 2stroke enduros for 2 years. Then i got stuck up with a 100c 4stroke moped. For almost 6 years! Till i got my 1st litter bike, an Fz1 Fazer 07. I had to admit im bound and leaps now compared when i started with the litter and i did crash some too - and escaped crashing aswell more times than i care to remember.

A gradual upgrade of displacement is kinda no brainer for me if you want to have less crashes and be safier.

 

[07RUBY!]

My first was my 07 R1

 

[Ry07R1]

I Did, started out with a beautiful 07 Raven R1 an i I'm still here to talk about it. I now how 9500 safe miles under my belt and have enjoyed every one of them. At the time I was 28 year's old and had most of my wildness out of my system and respected every horsepower the bike kicked out. Like with any bike, if you don't repected it every time you get on to go for a ride and wear proper gear this will happen:saw: Just because you have an R1 that don't mean you have to utilize every thing the bike has to offer, start out slow and build your skill and Confidence up slowly and always remember you can't controll the actions of other idiots on the road. So in closing if you have some self restraint and a bit of responsibility you to can enjoy everthing the R1 has to offer right off the bat. Only you can make that decision. Happy riding:scoots:

 

[thesoapster]

Just because you have an R1 that don't mean you have to utilize every thing the bike has to offer, start out slow and build your skill and Confidence up slowly and always remember you can't controll the actions of other idiots on the road.

While this sounds good, it's difficult for newer riders to ride "in sync" with the motorcycle like an experienced rider would. They make many accidental inputs, stupid decisions, etc. Every single mistake that could be made on a smaller bike is generally made much worse on a 1000.

 

[Creeping Death]

So far the only problem I've had is not being smooth with the throttle in long corners. I can keep a steady throttle if I'm at the right speed but if I slow down too much and have to get back on the throttle there's knid of an initial jump. So far it hasn't really been a problem because I'm increasing my lean angles very gradually as my wrist becomes more sensitive to the throttle. I'm sure it would be less twitchy on a 600. But it feels like more to do with the fly by wire than in my wrist though. It's like if the % of throttle were in increments it seems to go 0-3-4-5.... rather than 0-1-2-3-4-5...

It would probably be better if I could remember to set the D-mode to B but I always forget. I wish I could lock in the D Mode so it doesn't reset every time I start the bike.

 

[kynetguy]

Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner! :hammer: Someone gets it! :jump

Matt600r is obviously one of the vets that aren't pissed off, worried about being "less special", His concern is the welfare of us new guys and I appreciate his concern. I don't discount sound advice, quite the contrary, I crave it. That's why I come to this forum... to learn, and although according to Madski I am not entitled to it, occaisionally post my opinion (which he still doesn't get :dundun. I got to where I am today by seeking out those who know when I do not. I will gladly stop and listen to anything someone like Matt has to say. TwistGrip is another one, he was the only one on another thread that spoke to me as another man and not a child or a "noob". He gave me sound advice about hard braking for which I was grateful , I listened and I practiced what he said. Had Madski approached me in the same manner on this thread I would have appreciated his advice too and listened to him in the future. Unfortunately Madski wants to be an a$$hole and argue with me over points that I did not make because he doesn't see the one I was trying to make :dundun:
Because of his arrogance and his piss-pore attitude I will never listen to anything he has to say. My "insult" as Madski called it was directed toward people like Madski, not to people like Matt600r or Twistgrip.

Madski you are the one with "his head in his posterior", you are the one that who "ceased civil discourse" when your purpose became not to educate but to belittle. Matt600r is right, I agreed with most of what you had to say about an R1 as a first bike. It's unfortunate however, that you are so blinded by your arrogance that you failed to see that. I feel sorry for you...

WOO HOO! I escaped the scathing. . .lmao

So far the only problem I've had is not being smooth with the throttle in long corners. I can keep a steady throttle if I'm at the right speed but if I slow down too much and have to get back on the throttle there's knid of an initial jump. So far it hasn't really been a problem because I'm increasing my lean angles very gradually as my wrist becomes more sensitive to the throttle. I'm sure it would be less twitchy on a 600. But it feels like more to do with the fly by wire than in my wrist though. It's like if the % of throttle were in increments it seems to go 0-3-4-5.... rather than 0-1-2-3-4-5...

It would probably be better if I could remember to set the D-mode to B but I always forget. I wish I could lock in the D Mode so it doesn't reset every time I start the bike.

Actually I find the fly-by-wire very smooth and very consistent. A lot of the twitchiness is you will feel is drive train slack. I played with the throttle on my 07 (FBW) for a LONG time trying to make it have weirdness with partial throttles and smooth revs, I could find none.

 

[Madski]

It's likely not only slack but general ham fisted inputs into the chassis - upsetting the bike by loading and unloading it with the throttle and nothing to do with mapping (likely along with poor position/body input, line corrections, etc. complicated not only by the throttle but more so by the geometry of a sportbike). Things like the MSF basics of setting the correct entry speed, rolling on through a turn or maintenance throttle also come to mind. He's clearly more or less coasting through turns from his description which is the first and rather typical noob mistake.
I've never found fueling to be an issue on my 07 either (outside of the corrected ecu problem) or on the 10 that I did a couple of sessions on at the track. I actually thought the 09+ was far easier to modulate than the 07/08 - but what do I know?
I could add more but I would only be seen as showing my jealousy to the mad skills along with an enviable and vast frame of reference that Creep has brought to the table due to his age and maturity that silly people like me so deeply envy

 

[kynetguy]

It's likely not only slack but general ham fisted inputs into the chassis - upsetting the bike by loading and unloading it with the throttle and nothing to do with mapping (likely along with poor position/body input, line corrections, etc. complicated not only by the throttle but more so by the geometry of a sportbike). Things like the MSF basics of setting the correct entry speed, rolling on through a turn or maintenance throttle also come to mind. He's clearly more or less coasting through turns from his description which is the first and rather typical noob mistake.
I've never found fueling to be an issue on my 07 either (outside of the corrected ecu problem) or on the 10 that I did a couple of sessions on at the track. I actually thought the 09+ was far easier to modulate than the 07/08 - but what do I know?
I could add more but I would only be seen as showing my jealousy to the mad skills along with an enviable and vast frame of reference that Creep has brought to the table due to his age and maturity that silly people like me so deeply envy

And you can agree that drive slack, is accentuated using the above method of corner entry? :fact And further upsets the chasis? Of course you can. I was being more nice in my approach to the problem. :2bitchsla

I rarely let my R1 get below 9-10K RPMS on the track. :fact. It just doesn't make much power below that and 600's blow by me WAY to easily.

Also a: :fact

Keeping RPMs up I find the power deliver to be much more smooth and predictable. As well, if proper entry speed is selected and braking done BEFORE tip in or just at the start of tipping, the rest is, as you said, maintenance until you begin your exit drive.

:lol Ham Fist. . . .Ham fist in 2nd or 3rd at 10-12K during an 80-100mpg exit could equal powerslide. (or high side if you panic and slam the throttle shut)

Don't worry Creep....you will get there.

 

[Madski]

Oh I know you were being nice, I just figured I'd live up to Creep's expectations and expand the relevant facts without sugarcoating - he's an adult after all isn't he?
Wonder if he has any idea how quickly things go from loading/unloading the bike in a turn to going for the superman imitation you elude to!?
The throttle on the current bike is actually my favorite part of it. It feels more "connected" to the rear wheel and the tarmac than most other bikes I've ridden.
I don't really like the my 07 on the track, I'm just a poser whimp anyway so I ride a little 675 instead

 

[Matt600r]

"I don't really like the my 07 on the track, I'm just a poser whimp anyway so I ride a little 675 instead"


:no :lol :hammer:

 

[Creeping Death]

WOO HOO! I escaped the scathing. . .

:hammer:

 

[Creeping Death]

And you can agree that drive slack, is accentuated using the above method of corner entry? :fact And further upsets the chasis? Of course you can. I was being more nice in my approach to the problem. :2bitchsla

I rarely let my R1 get below 9-10K RPMS on the track. :fact. It just doesn't make much power below that and 600's blow by me WAY to easily.

Also a: :fact

Keeping RPMs up I find the power deliver to be much more smooth and predictable. As well, if proper entry speed is selected and braking done BEFORE tip in or just at the start of tipping, the rest is, as you said, maintenance until you begin your exit drive.

:lol Ham Fist. . . .Ham fist in 2nd or 3rd at 10-12K during an 80-100mpg exit could equal powerslide. (or high side if you panic and slam the throttle shut)

Don't worry Creep....you will get there.

You're probably right about the chain slack, I'll pay attention to that next time I'm out.
These corners where I experience the problem are very slow corners (30-45 mph) which drops my revs to around 6000. If I'm north of around 8000 I don't experience the initial snatch when I apply the throttle. On the particular road where I experience the problem the corners are very tight and very close together. It's difficult to get up to 10,000 in many of the straights let alone in a corner. The problem is when I end up too slow mid corner and I want to pick up speed. This usually happens because my buddy I ride with goes too slow (yeah I know, don't follow slow close, I try), he won't shift his body so he has to lean much farther than he should, limiting his speed, he pretty much sits upright. He rides a Buell XB12R which is a great handling bike but he doesn't know how to make use of it (no Madski I'm not claiming that I can... geez!) even though he's been riding since 2004. I think he has about 20,000mi, all mountain roads, on the bike, not counting the miles he put on his XB9 that he started on. He actually low sided on the BR Pkwy at around 80 mph in front of me when I had only about 100mi on my bike. Although I told him I wanted to go slow and easy he felt the need to show off for the R1 behind him. I guess experience isn't everything... I slowed way down entering the curve because I knew I wasn't ready for it.

If I'm alone or in the lead and I can pick my own entry speed everything is much smoother. I can tell though that the bike is capable of much more but I know I'm not there yet so I don't push it. The only thing about my R1 that makes me nervous is so far having no indicator of when I'm leaning too far because of the high amount of ground clearance. I have around 1/4" of chicken stripes and haven't even grazed the side of my boot let alone the foot peg. I imagine because my cornering speeds are too low to compress the suspension.

Thanks for the input kynetguy...
No hard feelings about the blowhard, high horse comment. I can take a jab in stride, I just won't stand for an all out attack.

 

[Creeping Death]

Oh I know you were being nice, I just figured I'd live up to Creep's expectations and expand the relevant facts without sugarcoating - he's an adult after all isn't he?
Wonder if he has any idea how quickly things go from loading/unloading the bike in a turn to going for the superman imitation you elude to!?
The throttle on the current bike is actually my favorite part of it. It feels more "connected" to the rear wheel and the tarmac than most other bikes I've ridden.
I don't really like the my 07 on the track, I'm just a poser whimp anyway so I ride a little 675 instead

You certainly continue living up to my expectations of you being a dick. :fact

"I could add more but I would only be seen as showing my jealousy to the mad skills along with an enviable and vast frame of reference that Creep has brought to the table due to his age and maturity that silly people like me so deeply envy "

I have stated repeatedly that I know I currently lack the skills to ride an R1 to it's phenomenal potential. That I come here to learn from guys like Matt, Twist, and knet. I know that what I've learned from reading does not equal skill. I know I have a long way to go. I have also said repeatedly that I believe an R1 is for most not a good first bike. You are still so blinded by you arrogance and your head so far up your ass that you still after all the back and forth don't see that even though everone else does. :horse: obviously having eloquent writing skills doesn't make you smart :dundun:

So... :fingr: douchebag :lol