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09-11 Carbon Fiber Slipon Showdown (M4 vs Yoshi TRC-D vs GYTR vs Leo Vince Evo II)
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June 2012
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Welcome to the June 2012 edition of the R1-forum.com newsletter.
To start off this month we would like to congratulate DeeCarp1 for winning the June 2012 BOTM contest. You can see a pic of his winning bike to the right. We have put together several threads for your browsing enjoyment. With summer finally here we hope everyone is out the riding their bikes. Enjoy this months newsletter and see you soon on the forums.
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09-11 Carbon Fiber Slipon Showdown (M4 vs Yoshi TRC-D vs GYTR vs Leo Vince Evo II)
I'm getting ready to make a sound comparison video between the 4 exhausts above. I've got three of them at the house now, the Yoshi's will be here next week sometime.
My question to you guys is, what should be incorporated in my little exhaust battle/review.
This is my first attempt at a review of any kind. Figured there might be more people like me that can't make up their mind on what exhaust to purchase, so this might help them out. I hope it does for me too.
BIG THANKS GO TO STOBER for this opportunity!
TOP OF THE POPS!! :scared :epimp :fork
Stober & I are working hard to bring this to fruition!! I just found out i've got access to SONY video editing software!! and already hard at work on AVS vid. editing... PRO TOOLS is ready and waiting for audio along with this beauty!!
TUBE PRE-AMP, ANALOG TO DIGITAL CONVERTERS!! brings the audio straight into my MEDIA PRODUCTION PC VIA OPTICAL LIGHT-PIPE! LOSS-LESS conversion!!
24bit, 96Khz!!! :butt :jump
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June 2012
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Welcome to the June 2012 edition of the R1-forum.com newsletter.
To start off this month we would like to congratulate DeeCarp1 for winning the June 2012 BOTM contest. You can see a pic of his winning bike to the right. We have put together several threads for your browsing enjoyment. With summer finally here we hope everyone is out the riding their bikes. Enjoy this months newsletter and see you soon on the forums.
-R1-forum.com staff
09-11 Carbon Fiber Slipon Showdown (M4 vs Yoshi TRC-D vs GYTR vs Leo Vince Evo II)
I'm getting ready to make a sound comparison video between the 4 exhausts above. I've got three of them at the house now, the Yoshi's will be here next week sometime.
My question to you guys is, what should be incorporated in my little exhaust battle/review.
This is my first attempt at a review of any kind. Figured there might be more people like me that can't make up their mind on what exhaust to purchase, so this might help them out. I hope it does for me too.
BIG THANKS GO TO STOBER for this opportunity!
TOP OF THE POPS!! :scared :epimp :fork
Stober & I are working hard to bring this to fruition!! I just found out i've got access to SONY video editing software!! and already hard at work on AVS vid. editing... PRO TOOLS is ready and waiting for audio along with this beauty!!
TUBE PRE-AMP, ANALOG TO DIGITAL CONVERTERS!! brings the audio straight into my MEDIA PRODUCTION PC VIA OPTICAL LIGHT-PIPE! LOSS-LESS conversion!!
24bit, 96Khz!!! :butt :jump
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Well here is my experience on an 09R1 FIAT: Nothing looks as good as a clean tail (no slip-ons) so to me low mount is the way to go, further reason to have a low mount is the sound considering that this bike is never gonna sound again like 08's and earlier (unless they decide to do away w/ crossplane)
The best sounding solutions for me was the low mount WooDoo, I wasn't impressed with the manufacturing or dyno run but as far as the sound I think it's as good as it's going to get.
As far as your test make sure the dB meeter is at exactly the same distance (about 5 feet) and it is "A weighted" and if it gives you the choice measure the average "RMS" and not in peak mode, I would do the Idle, a 7k steady, and 12k hits (definitely not in an enclosed space like a garage) also if you can mount the mike in proximity of the pipes, put some kind of wind screen and take it for a spin trying to follow the sama pattern for all exhaust like speed, RPM's and gear, then document exactly the specifications of at least those 3 things in the description of the video.
Pinnacle Studio has always worked good for me although now I am using Sony Vegas Pro 11 for the mixing automation and other features missing in Studio 15, I am a recording engineer so in spite of the fact that a lot of ppl will tell you to close mike your pipes, trust me when I tell you to not get closer than 4 feet because you are going to enhance the bottom end of that sound, also use a cardioid pattern mic not a uni or omni directional engage a -10dB or -20dB pad if you have that option to avoid overloading the capsule's output.
Whatever you use make sure to use a GoPro as well, the reason being is because most ppl with a bike out there own 1 and so we could end up with a comparative sound collection from all buncha pipes that have been miked with very similar techniques and equipment.
Makes sense...?
The best sounding solutions for me was the low mount WooDoo, I wasn't impressed with the manufacturing or dyno run but as far as the sound I think it's as good as it's going to get.
As far as your test make sure the dB meeter is at exactly the same distance (about 5 feet) and it is "A weighted" and if it gives you the choice measure the average "RMS" and not in peak mode, I would do the Idle, a 7k steady, and 12k hits (definitely not in an enclosed space like a garage) also if you can mount the mike in proximity of the pipes, put some kind of wind screen and take it for a spin trying to follow the sama pattern for all exhaust like speed, RPM's and gear, then document exactly the specifications of at least those 3 things in the description of the video.
Pinnacle Studio has always worked good for me although now I am using Sony Vegas Pro 11 for the mixing automation and other features missing in Studio 15, I am a recording engineer so in spite of the fact that a lot of ppl will tell you to close mike your pipes, trust me when I tell you to not get closer than 4 feet because you are going to enhance the bottom end of that sound, also use a cardioid pattern mic not a uni or omni directional engage a -10dB or -20dB pad if you have that option to avoid overloading the capsule's output.
Whatever you use make sure to use a GoPro as well, the reason being is because most ppl with a bike out there own 1 and so we could end up with a comparative sound collection from all buncha pipes that have been miked with very similar techniques and equipment.
Makes sense...?
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this man knows that which he speaks of... except for the shorty pipe part :lol
one small problem with the whole 4 feet distance on audio.... where the fack do you strap that to the bike...?
i'll have good look at the ZOOM manual, see if its got a useable filter so bass isnt so over-loaded
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I may be able to do just that, i'll try & get a hold of Nels at some point...
I guess he may be able to let me know when something cool comes along... specially
a crossplane... good idea...
but yeah... i doubt stober can, most dyno pulls cost 50 bucks for 3 runs, and you gotta
be tied to where / when the dyno is setup... aint exactly cheap to maintain those.. and nowadays they are mobile which is best so you can avoid noise pollution laws in certain places... :dunno
mind you I wouldnt worry about the dyno... thats why i've been suggesting they do actual runs, on the bike.. with zoom mic on tail, possibly a go pro up front {so to include some engine noise}
and a camera on looking the action from a vantage point so y'all have something to stare at while all recording is going on...
that way we get proper sounds on engine braking into corners.. real world... not just revving the crap out of it on a dyno... really
the dyno isnt much to listen to, i've recorded it with my camera b4 and it was pretty dull, imho
I guess he may be able to let me know when something cool comes along... specially
a crossplane... good idea...
but yeah... i doubt stober can, most dyno pulls cost 50 bucks for 3 runs, and you gotta
be tied to where / when the dyno is setup... aint exactly cheap to maintain those.. and nowadays they are mobile which is best so you can avoid noise pollution laws in certain places... :dunno
mind you I wouldnt worry about the dyno... thats why i've been suggesting they do actual runs, on the bike.. with zoom mic on tail, possibly a go pro up front {so to include some engine noise}
and a camera on looking the action from a vantage point so y'all have something to stare at while all recording is going on...
that way we get proper sounds on engine braking into corners.. real world... not just revving the crap out of it on a dyno... really
the dyno isnt much to listen to, i've recorded it with my camera b4 and it was pretty dull, imho
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I agree with shelbyranger, after the test sell them all and buy the carbon Akra's, they are the choice of the Yamaha Superbike Team.
I have the GYTR endcans, sound great but are heavy. No Db.killers available, so I had to switch to Akra's, because of track noise levels, they come with killers. They are also easier to take off, no need to strip the seat of.
Low endcan from Graves looks naf, unless you change the seat.
I have the GYTR endcans, sound great but are heavy. No Db.killers available, so I had to switch to Akra's, because of track noise levels, they come with killers. They are also easier to take off, no need to strip the seat of.
Low endcan from Graves looks naf, unless you change the seat.
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I've got the Leo Y and the Evo II's with the dB reducer inserts removed. (Too quiet with them in for my taste) I really enjoy how they sound, especially under load pulling out of corners. With a GoPro (Skeleton Back) mounted up front, it picks up the sound pretty well. When the camera is mounted towards the back of the bike, even better. Check out R1MtnMan at YouTube for some short ride videos. The Warp9 Feb 2012 video has a rear mounted GoPro2, but the music overshadows the engine a bit. I'll upload a video with no music later.
Here's the link to a shortened no music clip.
Its in 1080p: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bG-kpIaiTo&feature=youtu.be
Here's the link to a shortened no music clip.
Its in 1080p: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bG-kpIaiTo&feature=youtu.be
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Cant wait to hear the out come, I was going to put Leo's on my WGP 50th edition but couldn't justify the cost so went with the Yoshi 3/4 system.
Either way I'm happy with the sound and its not to loud that I need earplugs.
Have to say, slowing down under load sounds sick and also twisting the throttle through bends... very nice indeed
Either way I'm happy with the sound and its not to loud that I need earplugs.
Have to say, slowing down under load sounds sick and also twisting the throttle through bends... very nice indeed
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Are you planning on keeping all the slip ons? Or would you be interested in selling after your write up?
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Yea, may be a minute before I sell any though.
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That's fine, i'm curious a to how the M4s sound on the xplane.
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