[R6_Dude]

For the same reason you have a fire extinguisher in your house. For the same reason you wear a helmet. For all the other reasons you can't think of. Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

i believe it was X to the Z Xzibit who said it best, "rather be caught wit it than caught with out one". :lol

well either way i wouldn't want to run into you guys :scared haha jk.

 

[gringo in dr]

Justforme is correct.

While the maxium cyclic rate of the AR15/M16 is in the hundreds of rounds per minute, that is only a reference to how quickly it can fire.

The maximum sustained cyclic rate is what is really important. Offthe top of my head I thought it was 20 - 30 rounds per minute. But 12 - 15 rounds per minute sounds reasonable.

Sure you can fire off 4 or 5, 30 round mags back to back as quickly as you can pull the trigger. But the rifle can not sustain that rate of fire.

12 - 15 rounds per minute is the maximum cyclic rate that the rifle will stay with in safe operating temperatures.

Anyone that owns an AR15 should find this information in their manual. I would scan mine in but it's in the states and I'm off shore.

 

[justforme]

one of many sites with specs on the ar15

http://groups.msn.com/TheMarylandAR15ShootersSite/rifleperformance.msnw

 

[Mammalian04]

The purpose of a concealed handgun is not to wave it around at people who piss you off (whoever had alluded to that earlier). It is a CONCEALED handgun meaning no one is supposed to know you have it. The only time it should be exposed is when you are pulling it out to accurately put rounds through a perpetrators chest or head.

Pulling it out to scare someone off is not the intention.

It is for protection of life and property only and anyone that thinks that a firearm is to be used in a pissing contest has no business with a handgun or concealed handgun license(CHL). Simple as that.

If you think that carrying a concealed handgun is dangerous and irresponsible then in your case you are probably correct and should not be in possession of a handgun in public. Those who posses the responsibility, knowledge, and PROFICIENCY of a handgun are candidates for a license. And to finish it off with one of the most important points (that those who carry with a license already know), NEVER carry a handgun or expose it, if you do unless you have full intention of firing and incapacitating your aggressing adversary.

Ok... I have rambled on long enough huh?

 

[LarsR1]

I feel much safer knowing joe(squid) citizen, is exercising his right to bear arms. :thumbup

 

[justforme]

well put!

now if i could only fit a rifle under the rear seat on the r1 i'd be all set.

 

[justforme]

However, complete, fully-thought-through, professional, well executed violence never leads to more violence because, you see, afterwards, the other guys are all dead.

Gen. Richard E. Hawley (USAF-Ret)

 

[TheBFA]

ANother point I thought I'd bring up is that it doesn't really matter if you're going to have a cookoff in heavy combat. Not that I can say I have been there, but I know what I'll most likely be thinking. I'm sure everyone can come to a conclusion that you will not have a round cook off in an M16 with just one mag. That's 30 rnds for me, and probably 27 for the marines because they seem to think filling the mag to 30 rnds will cause a double feed (not trying to start another argument, I'm sure it can happen) SO.....If I am going to be in a situation where I'm going to be expeding rounds in full auto, and reloading and continuously doing this, the last of my concerns is a cook off. Most likely, no round will be in the chamber long enough to heat up enough, and if I'm already throwing as many rounds down range as I can, one more isn't going to hurt. Oh yeah, I remember someone mentioning a cook off is like an uncontrolled full auto. It is not. The sere will engage as long as the trigger isn't held down. SO you will get one round cooked off, and then another round will be put in the chamber (on an M16) and maybe the barrel is still hot enough to cook off another round, but it'll take some time for that round to heat up and cook off again.

EDIT: I was completely wrong about the Sustained, Rapid, and Cyclic rates of fire. Sustained is actually the slowest, and Cyclic is holding down the trigger. I was having some conflicts in my head and had to look it up in our gun manuals.

 

[justforme]

if the squid has a tee shirt, short's and sneakers on. i'd guess he's not carrying.

I feel much safer knowing joe(squid) citizen, is exercising his right to bear arms. :thumbup

 

[ExHondaGuy]

If everyone had to carry a weapon, I gaurantee the crime rate would drastically drop.

Yeah, kinda like the old West. No-one ever got shot back then.

Seriously though, I really tried, but I couldn't let that one go by. Considering the idiotic things people do when they're angry, or distracted, or drunk, or just plain stupid (anyone who rides a motorcycle on the street and has to deal with cagers should be well aware of this), how could you possibly think that supplying everyone with a deadly weapon is a good idea? Sure, you'd be less likely to be confronted by a thief with a weapon, and much, much, much more likely to be shot outright, either purposely or accidentally, by some idiot.

 

[justforme]

agreed, but a cook off can cause a chain reaction igniting the rounds in the mag. if this happens more than likely it would take out the gun.

ANother point I thought I'd bring up is that it doesn't really matter if you're going to have a cookoff in heavy combat. Not that I can say I have been there, but I know what I'll most likely be thinking. I'm sure everyone can come to a conclusion that you will not have a round cook off in an M16 with just one mag. That's 30 rnds for me, and probably 27 for the marines because they seem to think filling the mag to 30 rnds will cause a double feed (not trying to start another argument, I'm sure it can happen) SO.....If I am going to be in a situation where I'm going to be expeding rounds in full auto, and reloading and continuously doing this, the last of my concerns is a cook off. Most likely, no round will be in the chamber long enough to heat up enough, and if I'm already throwing as many rounds down range as I can, one more isn't going to hurt. Oh yeah, I remember someone mentioning a cook off is like an uncontrolled full auto. It is not. The sere will engage as long as the trigger isn't held down. SO you will get one round cooked off, and then another round will be put in the chamber (on an M16) and maybe the barrel is still hot enough to cook off another round, but it'll take some time for that round to heat up and cook off again.

 

[rforce1]

When I was getting ready to take my wife out to coffee, I walked out with my model 17 and tried to stick it in my trunk. No way. So I walked back in and grabbed the model 19 and came back out. Not happening. So I went back in and grabbed the model 26 and hoped for the best. The only two smaller than that are an Airweight J-frame, and an AMT DAO Backup. The 26 fit, using a Glock belt slide holster.

I guess the .45 LC Ruger Blackhawks are out of the question.

 

[TheBFA]

Yeah, kinda like the old West. No-one ever got shot back then.

Seriously though, I really tried, but I couldn't let that one go by. Considering the idiotic things people do when they're angry, or distracted, or drunk, or just plain stupid (anyone who rides a motorcycle on the street and has to deal with cagers should be well aware of this), how could you possibly think that supplying everyone with a deadly weapon is a good idea? Sure, you'd be less likely to be confronted by a thief with a weapon, and much, much, much more likely to be shot outright, either purposely or accidentally, by some idiot.

Back then, it was more acceptable to kill someone than it is today (from what I can tell from the movies anyway)

No way of living is going to be perfect. It is a ridiculous idea to have everyone carrying guns, and I never actually said we SHOULD, but if it were to ever be common practice, I am sure people in general would be less likely to commit crimes against others. If some "angry, distracted, drunk, or just plain stupid person" decides to shoot someone, he himself would be shot by anyone else in the area that would have a weapon. Once the initial mass of people getting shot and killed is over, I promise people will be more leary of don't ANYTHING wrong to someone else. I know this is kind of a sick way to look at it, but nothing is going to change the way society is progressing except one major ridiculous change to the way people interact with one another.

 

[Mammalian04]

justforme, Countries like Isreal don't restrictions like we do (at least they didn't last I heard, anyone from Isreal to verify?) and look at their crime rate. The opportunity for responsible people to carry DOES deter crime. If you don't agree, don't carry right?

 

[K-TOWN HUSTLER]

glock 27 inside my belt holster inside a beenie cap,
fits in any bike trunk, unless the power commander gets
in the way

 

[justforme]

i'm pro carry 110%

but i do think it should be in you holster on your person and not under your seat.

justforme, Countries like Isreal don't restrictions like we do (at least they didn't last I heard, anyone from Isreal to verify?) and look at their crime rate. The opportunity for responsible people to carry DOES deter crime. If you don't agree, don't carry right?

 

[rydfree]

My sling shot fits real nice!!

Must not be the one in your Avatar . That thing's Huge ! :boobies

 

[CLovaR1]

p245 fits in the 10r like a charm. Matter of fact, we have a new CCW law here, so it fits on my hip just fiiiiinnneee

 

[mdnixon]

my wife carries a Taurus .357 compact revolver its a five shot and it might fit in that small space.

 

[Skanky]

The purpose of a concealed handgun is not to wave it around at people who piss you off (whoever had alluded to that earlier). It is a CONCEALED handgun meaning no one is supposed to know you have it. The only time it should be exposed is when you are pulling it out to accurately put rounds through a perpetrators chest or head.

Pulling it out to scare someone off is not the intention.

It is for protection of life and property only and anyone that thinks that a firearm is to be used in a pissing contest has no business with a handgun or concealed handgun license(CHL). Simple as that.

If you think that carrying a concealed handgun is dangerous and irresponsible then in your case you are probably correct and should not be in possession of a handgun in public. Those who posses the responsibility, knowledge, and PROFICIENCY of a handgun are candidates for a license. And to finish it off with one of the most important points (that those who carry with a license already know), NEVER carry a handgun or expose it, if you do unless you have full intention of firing and incapacitating your aggressing adversary.

Ok... I have rambled on long enough huh?

Wow. That's probably one of the most well thought-out and concise written statements I've seen concerning this issue. The last statement is something I learned MANY years ago from my father ("never point a gun at something you don't intend to kill").

Obviously it all boils down to responsibility. Just because you CAN carry, doesn't necessarily mean you SHOULD carry.

One should also be aware of the ramifications of even posessing a handgun in public. How are you going to handle the situation if you get pulled over by the cops? Are you going to carry it concealed into a place of business that posts "no handguns allowed"? (this is illegal by the way, even if you have a CDW license). And, god forbid, if you ever do have to use it in a situation, are you ready for the consequences? Yes it can save your life, but more than likely it's going to simply bring you a lot of legal hassles. Packing heat is not to be taken lightly in any regards.

Again, excellent post there Mammalian.