Just spoke with a friend from Yamaha who is test riding the NEW R1M in Japan. He would not say anything more, but not sure if its coming in 2016. Not happy abput that at all. I guess they didnt play all their cards.
2016 R1M Looks like its going to happen
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That is not true. Electronically controlled suspension is fully allowed in FIM Superbike, Supersport, Superstock as well as Endurance, but only if the electronically controlled suspension is OEM equipment in the particular motorcycle model discussed. Aftermarket or prototype electronically controlled suspension is not allowed.
This means the R1M OEM suspension is fully allowed in WSB, FIM Superstock as well as FIM Endurance.
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Sorry for the off topic BUT I second the SxS comment! About time :fork gets into the UTV game. I've been silently begging them to for years.
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Thank you for correcting me, I was misinformed on the rules and suspension.
I still see the value of good electronic dampening though.
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Your comment about no sanctioning body allows electronic suspension is incorrect. The German Superbike series races it and when I was at MotoAmerica at COTA in the pits I asked the MotoAmerica certifying technicians (the guys who take apart your bike to see if you cheated) told me personally that the R1M is APPROVED for MotoAmerica. No one is running it but it is absolutely approved.
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you will see the sport utv on 9/1........ leaked photos have been all over the last few days
I love my R1M and hoped it wouldn't reappear in 16. especially in yellow as I think that would look awesome:crying:
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Ya we know already
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Sorry...didn't see that someone already responded.
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I'm still confused as why teams wouldn't utilize electro suspension if it's allowed.
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The reason I heard from a few teams if that the quality of the aftermarket Ohlins gas charged fork cartridges and Road and Track non-gas charged internals are far superior to the OEM product. That said the Ohlins tech told me that the Ohlins in the R1M is near Road and Track quality and some of the highest spec product they have ever put into a production bike...even including the Panigale R.
I don't believe Ohlins makes aftermarket internals that are Mechatronic...that is my best understanding of why race teams don't use it.
The M was created for racing purposes. The 500 amount was to meet FIM homologation rules and other sanctioning bodies. Everything short of the bodywork is legal to race in all Superstock series. The reason they are not seen in Superbike is that the cartridges are not as good as the gas charged options currently allowed by Moto America, and the full customer spec gas forks in BSB.
That being said, these are full Ohlins components unlike previous Ducati forks which were identical construction to their OEM fork with internal upgrades and Ohlins badges. With the success of the M in the German Superbike series and others, it is likely they will continue to meet the criteria for homologation as long as it is cost effective to do so.
That being said, these are full Ohlins components unlike previous Ducati forks which were identical construction to their OEM fork with internal upgrades and Ohlins badges. With the success of the M in the German Superbike series and others, it is likely they will continue to meet the criteria for homologation as long as it is cost effective to do so.
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I heard something that Yamaha wants to see how many they would sell do to the price tag that's why it was limit to 500 but since they "sold" all there M they figure make it for 2016 but just how many M are still sitting in dealers. I have about 5 around me right now.
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I would say there are couple of reasons.
First, it is obvious the "riding situation based" electronic control of the R1M offers a bigger performance advantage for less experienced riders in the street and for regular trackday riders than for professional racers. The control is simply not advanced enough for the professional race teams to be bothered and they are obviously not allowed to use aftermarket or prototype electronic control.
Second, the hardware in some of the aftermarket suspension available for the R1M (and the R1) is more advanced than the OEM hardware found in the R1M. This hardware difference makes more of a performance advantage for the professional racers than having the OEM electronic control or not. Simply put, the really fast guys seem to prefer more advanced suspension hardware without electronic control instead of less advanced suspension hardware with electronic control.
Because Gas charged forks and internals are allowed.
Nope, purely for race homologation.
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I was on the local club racing forum a month or two ago, and I was shocked to see a '15 R1, fully race prepped, in the for sale section. Was being sold by a pretty fast local racer, too. I asked around why he was selling it, and I found out that there were at that time three '15 R1s racing locally--two Ms and his base model. He was selling his completely setup base model--and taking a huge loss in the process--in order to get on an M like the other two guys.
I know we're not talking about high-level pros here, and I know it's a small sample size, but I thought it was an interesting anecdote to add to the discussion.
Personally, I didn't buy the M (for a track bike) for many of the reasons mentioned here: I didn't want to pay for carbon bodywork that was going to come off immediately, I already have a datalogger that works well enough for me, and I didn't like the idea of suspension that wouldn't be consistent on the track (figured I'd just upgrade to TTX and carts down the road). Hearing about the local racer feeling he was at a competitive disadvantage on the base model was eye-opening, although his bike was on stock suspension.
It's my understanding that Haga helped develop the mechatronic system in WSBK with Yamaha in '07 or so, and Rossi used it to win the '08 title before it was banned in GP. With the right internals, it must work quite well.
I know we're not talking about high-level pros here, and I know it's a small sample size, but I thought it was an interesting anecdote to add to the discussion.
Personally, I didn't buy the M (for a track bike) for many of the reasons mentioned here: I didn't want to pay for carbon bodywork that was going to come off immediately, I already have a datalogger that works well enough for me, and I didn't like the idea of suspension that wouldn't be consistent on the track (figured I'd just upgrade to TTX and carts down the road). Hearing about the local racer feeling he was at a competitive disadvantage on the base model was eye-opening, although his bike was on stock suspension.
It's my understanding that Haga helped develop the mechatronic system in WSBK with Yamaha in '07 or so, and Rossi used it to win the '08 title before it was banned in GP. With the right internals, it must work quite well.
There you have it....You can't compare the stock M suspension to the stock base suspension. Racers aren't taking the M suspension off and replacing with base model. They are taking M suspension off and replacing it with better internals and adjustable rear with better internals. Also, I don't consider any bike that hasn't had suspension work done "fully race prepped"
Where is this bike for sale? I'm looking for one...
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I haven't seen any 2015 R1's on the street around here. I also know my local dealer sold 10 R1's and 2 R1M's
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There are about 5 R1M for sale at different dealers around me. I also haven't seen a 2015 R1 in NYC yet. I know a few members here live around me but haven't seen them. Maybe when I wear my R1 forum t shirt someone will stop me.
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I've only seen one 2015 period, never mind an M.There are about 5 R1M for sale at different dealers around me. I also haven't seen a 2015 R1 in NYC yet. I know a few members here live around me but haven't seen them. Maybe when I wear my R1 forum t shirt someone will stop me.
I will say I rarely take sport bikes into Manhattan anymore because of the road conditions. Way too many front rims bent in the last 10+ years. Super Tenere does 95% NYC of the duty these days, that thang is invincible:machinegu
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