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back brakes on wheelies

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#1 ·
hey guys i was wondering how hard you jam the back brake if a wheelie gets too high. it probably sounds like a stupid question. i've been wheelieng like crazy this year and just now im starting to feel out shifting while im up on one.
On more than one occasion it felt likt the bike wanted to loop when i tried shifting and i immediatly let off the gas and hit the tank with my chest to bring it back down. How did you guys get use to using the back brake to control it when you first started and do you guys press the clutch to shift while youre up on one wheel or is it a clutchless shift. i havent got use to the back brake because im so focused on where my wheelie is going and i cant feel the back brake under my foot because most of 80% of my wheelies are standups and all the wheelies i've been doing so far are all throttle control and 0 back brake how bad is that:bash

well any advice you guys can offer would be great thanks pimps :cool:
 
#2 ·
Honda 50 will teach you everything you need to know about stunting. I learned how important the rear brake is on mine. And once I applied it to street bikes, my skills trippled.

Rear brake control should be the first thing you master while learning how to wheelie. It's your last lifeline if you go back to far. Once you master that, everything else will come with ease and safety.
 
#3 ·
I never use the rear brake. I use the throttle as my brake. I don't do the slow speed stunting stuff, though. My wheelies are anywhere from 50 - 130 MPH.

I hear alot of people always say "cover the rear brake." I just got used to the engine braking by good use of the throttle.

I do long wheelies, at higher speeds--more of an adrenaline rush to me. Once you learn to manage the throttle, and keep it at or near the BP, you can go as long as you wish.
 
#4 ·
aaask8tr said:
Honda 50 will teach you everything you need to know about stunting. I learned how important the rear brake is on mine. And once I applied it to street bikes, my skills trippled.

Rear brake control should be the first thing you master while learning how to wheelie. It's your last lifeline if you go back to far. Once you master that, everything else will come with ease and safety.
:confused: My bad you don't live on the same planet as me, iv'e never touch my back brake, not a single time (stunt, racetrack, street) , just like every good riders i know and some of them who are racing even use to pull it off to be sure they won't touch it.

On wheelies, compression will bring you back down harder than you'll ever need anyway. Back brake on a sportbikes = troubles.
 
#5 ·
Bullcrap. I use the back brake for every aspect of riding, around town cruising, slow speed control, high speed twisties, and slower speed standups.

I clutch up a standup at around 30mph or so and then rock the brake
 
#6 ·
If someone learned to use the rear brake to cover wheelies on a sportbike... I applaud you! That just seems CRAZY to me. I've been wheeling for 3 years now and am one of the best in Ft. wayne (no slow stuff though), and I still haven't had the balls to use the rear brake on a wheelie yet.

I just bought a Polaris Trailblazer 400cc two stroke this summer and it took me 45 mins. of constant trying to master rear brake control. I hit the wheelie bar a TON of times learning. If I'd of been on my R1.... OUCH :crash it would have definetly been a costly learning experience!

Long story short, if you want to master rear brake control on a sportbike, prepare to go down & get a 12 bar.:thumbup
 
#7 ·
brandonmeyer said:
If someone learned to use the rear brake to cover wheelies on a sportbike... I applaud you! That just seems CRAZY to me. I've been wheeling for 3 years now and am one of the best in Ft. wayne (no slow stuff though), and I still haven't had the balls to use the rear brake on a wheelie yet.

I just bought a Polaris Trailblazer 400cc two stroke this summer and it took me 45 mins. of constant trying to master rear brake control. I hit the wheelie bar a TON of times learning. If I'd of been on my R1.... OUCH :crash it would have definetly been a costly learning experience!

Long story short, if you want to master rear brake control on a sportbike, prepare to go down & get a 12 bar.:thumbup
:iamwithst

Any fast and good riders i know don't used it, those who use it are usually pretty slow or newbies.

When i brake before a turn the i'm able to lock and slide the rear with the compression if i want to, so there's no way i'm gonna touch that stupid peice of metal they put there.

Any wheelie master i know look like that :confused: when somebody talk about "covering the rear brake".
 
#8 ·
I've never used the rear brakes when wheeling. It's kinda hard bending your ankle up high to cover the rear when you're doing stand ups.

I've tried using the rear brakes while doing a sitdown wheelie one time and I litterally tapped the brake and the front end came down pretty hard. I had to get off my bike and check to see where if my balls exploded from smashing them into the tank. :cryin
 
#9 ·
Rear brake control while doing a wheelie isn't as easy as it sounds. I still can't use it right while in a wheelie. but once you master it, you'll love it. I only mastered it on my mountain bike, lol. It's kinda different when your using your foot compared to your right hand finger. For some reason, I always have me foot over the rear brake while doing a wheelie, but its kinda hard to get my brain to actually use it, even when I feel I get a little to high. I just let off the gas. I can wheelie for a good long time at about 50mph, and never use the brake. I think the rear brake if for the slow stunt moves.
 
#13 · (Edited)
brandonmeyer said:
If someone learned to use the rear brake to cover wheelies on a sportbike... I applaud you! That just seems CRAZY to me. I've been wheeling for 3 years now and am one of the best in Ft. wayne (no slow stuff though), and I still haven't had the balls to use the rear brake on a wheelie yet.

I just bought a Polaris Trailblazer 400cc two stroke this summer and it took me 45 mins. of constant trying to master rear brake control. I hit the wheelie bar a TON of times learning. If I'd of been on my R1.... OUCH :crash it would have definetly been a costly learning experience!

Long story short, if you want to master rear brake control on a sportbike, prepare to go down & get a 12 bar.:thumbup
One of the best in Fort Wayne, IN??? I have never heard of you/met you and I ride almost every day :dunno I would really like to see what you can do. I got quite a few friends that can hold a stand up for a mile or so and one that rode a stand up on the Interstate the other night for 4 miles. I know it has been cold a crap this entire week and doesnt look like its getting any better, but seriously!!! :jump You know where everyone is. Stop on out
 
#14 ·
Interesting that you guys say that even for general riding. When I was a real newbie (because I don't want to act like I know what I'm doing) I NEVER used the front brake....I was terrified of it. Now though, especially on the track, all I use is throttle control and front brake (lots of it). I tried the back brake once.....and skidded hard. Had to level the bike and go shooting off into the woods to save it......
 
#15 ·
JSpeedJoeAF said:
One of the best in Fort Wayne, IN???? I have never heard of you and I ride almost every day :dunno I would really like to see what you can do. I got quite a few friends that can hold a stand up for a mile or so and one that rode a stand up on the Interstate the other night for 4 miles.
Remember that if you can do a mile you can 3000 miles, and a lot of people can do it.
 
#16 ·
Hey JSpeedJoeAF,

I went to school at IPFW and lived @ Canterbury Green Apartments. I've been out for a year now and live just south of Ft. Wayne in Ossian. I've only ridden 2 times up your way this summer. I'll pm you my cell and we'll have to meet up. All my close friends sold their bikes and I don't ride near as much as I used to! :mad:
 
#17 ·
i NEVER use the rear brake in a braking situation, but when the front gets light under hard accel, I will cover and use the rear brake to keep the front tire on the ground.
 
#18 ·
brandonmeyer said:
Hey JSpeedJoeAF,

I went to school at IPFW and lived @ Canterbury Green Apartments. I've been out for a year now and live just south of Ft. Wayne in Ossian. I've only ridden 2 times up your way this summer. I'll pm you my cell and we'll have to meet up. All my close friends sold their bikes and I don't ride near as much as I used to! :mad:
Yeah, I know what you mean. I started to get colder about a week ago and everyone headed for the hills. I am the exact opposite though, I didnt ride much last year or the year before....this year though I have been out as much as I can. I am hoping that after this week or so of frigid weather passes something nice will come through and more people will be out again. Let me know when you plan on heading into town. We normally ride with anywhere from 6 or 7 people up to 30....just depends on the night I guess. Take care
 
#19 ·
Put your left foot on the pass. peg - clutch it up in 2nd at around 35mph and you'll have no problem using the rear brake.

It's about being smooth ... I started using the rear brake while doing wheelies when I was a younger on a dirt bike.

It's not needed but if you want to slow down your wheelies and keep them slow and balanced you'll learn the balance between throttle/brake. Been fun learning :)
 
#20 ·
I clutch it up in 1st at about 25 mph and the front wheel is about 3 feet off the ground, and I will carry it to 70 to 75.
I wish I had the nuts to do a stand up in 2nd at 40 but I don't.
Maybe in the future :dunno But you guys that have the sack:beer just be careful!!!!!!!!!!!
 
#21 ·
Corny said:
Bullcrap. I use the back brake for every aspect of riding, around town cruising, slow speed control, high speed twisties, and slower speed standups.

I clutch up a standup at around 30mph or so and then rock the brake
I agree. :iamwithst I could care less about wheelies, but I use the back brake in conjunction with the front breaks everyday. I was taught how to do this back when I took the MSF and now it's second nature to me. I can break on a dime without sliding the rear.
 
#22 ·
vwjeff said:
I clutch it up in 1st at about 25 mph and the front wheel is about 3 feet off the ground, and I will carry it to 70 to 75.
I wish I had the nuts to do a stand up in 2nd at 40 but I don't.
Maybe in the future :dunno But you guys that have the sack:beer just be careful!!!!!!!!!!!
Just 10 more mph and you're in the midrange enough you can power up and save your clutch. It's extremely easy once you get used to it esp. in 1st and the rest is the same as you're already doing.
 
#23 ·
Johny2Wheels said:
Remember that if you can do a mile you can 3000 miles, and a lot of people can do it.
Not necessarily. The arms get tired after a bit. Don't forget about keeping it up through corners at 110 - 120 MPH. That ain't easy--but it's fun as hell!! :rock
 
#24 ·
CamX said:
Just 10 more mph and you're in the midrange enough you can power up and save your clutch. It's extremely easy once you get used to it esp. in 1st and the rest is the same as you're already doing.
Sorry man I get nervous thinking of going any faster on one wheel. I think right now I will be easy and one day it might just happen, I don't want to f myself up, or the bike. I grew up on quads and can wheelie them forever, there is just something about 1 wheel and 70 mph:scared
 
#26 ·
thanks guy i guess im not going to put any effort in practicing the back brake i just heard that a lot form the stunters ( i dont stunt just wheelie on the highways) and wasnt sure if i should be learning it or not. thanks for your guys input defintely decided what im going to do for the 600 mile ride i have going on this weekend.