I use 4 on the clutch and 3 on the brake, sometimes 4 on the brake, depends. i like the look of the shorties especially the pazzos.

but..

seriously, the long ones are better for how I ride.

;p

also i have big hands, those shorties feel like kiddie levers for me.

 

I would think it has to do with how many fingers you use. I only use 2-3 fingers so I went with the shorties.

This probably didnt help you but this was my reasoning

 

Shorties just fit my hand better. I would replace any factory lever with Pazzo's the day I buy the bike now, I love them. My hands are smaller and dont require the extra length. I also only use 2 fingers for brake, and 3 for clutch. No need for the extra length. use what your comfortable with. I didn't do it as an apearance mod, that was just a side affect. Reason I did was comfort.

 

Call me strange, but the first time I went for a decent ride with my Pazzo Shorties my clutch hand hurt like hell towards the end.

I put it down to the clutch perch being at a different angle when I had replaced it.

But second ride out no pain?

Don't know why, maybe it was the hand getting used to the lever, I had to get used to three fingers for the clutch.

With the stock lever it was natural to use four fingers even if it was just somehere to rest my little pinky - I don't think little pinky did any real work though.

But I love the shorties .

 

i use the pazzo shorty and i'm glad i made the switch. this is because it benefited me (functionality wise). like most guys here that switched to the shorty's, i too have short fingers. also, i use two fingers for both clutch and brake and let me tell you as far as hand fatigue for the clutch hand, BIG difference (that's me though and others may not feel the same as me). for the brake side though, i feel that there really is not much different. it feels just the same as having the stock one there for me. also food for thought if you're getting the shorties, when i try to pull it with all 4 fingers, it doesn't all fit. only 3 fingers fit (leaving out the pinky). again, that's my experience. other's might beg to differ. hope this helps you out!:beer

 

I have small hands, :lol , but seriously. I went with the shorties since I have slightly smaller hands. It was also a natural decision after I'd put the stock levers on the ground, the shorties are supposed to have a better chance of surviving a crash untouched, and they look trick, which is probably the reason most of us switched (I know that was my primary motivator). But since you're using it for a track bike, the advantage is that they're less likely to see the ground than stock length, the feel is subjective. Your hands will have a slight adjustment to using the levers but it will feel normal after a ride or two. Hope that helps.... :riding

I definitely didn't regret getting my Pazzo's, however I have stock levers on my current R1 and I'm not in any rush to switch them out before it's necessary.

 

Simple Answer is Shorties arent better in anyway or form, they are the same, but depending on your riding style will decide on Shorties or Not, if you are a 2 - 3 Finger rider then shorties, otherwise get the standards.
I use Shorties cuz i use 1 - 2 fingers depending on my mood, and shorties suit me, thats why i use them, having a longer lever doesnt help me in any way.
The choice is yours

 

they dont snap either when you crash or the bike tips. shorties on the clutch side are really, like others said, if you only clutch with 2-3 fingers, otherwise get the regular length.

 

I think it's just a BLING thing! There's no shame in it, but just admit it! lol Plus, they're How Much, $200?! Got better things to spend $$ on myself!

 

The only thing that matters is what you feel comfortable with. If you use all 4 fingers, then get full levers. If you use two fingers, then the shorties will work. Figure how much of the lever you actually use and go from there. I use two fingers on both sides and made my own levers short just for that reason.

 

The only thing that matters is what you feel comfortable with. If you use all 4 fingers, then get full levers. If you use two fingers, then the shorties will work. Figure how much of the lever you actually use and go from there. I use two fingers on both sides and made my own levers short just for that reason.

Yeah, but your 2 dick skinners are like having 5 normal ones on a lever! j/k lol

Seriously though guy's, Wyn's stuff is really nice!

 

shorties dont' get damaged as easy in a tip over/spill. look better, and many like them because they only use 2 fingers on both levers. They do outsell the longs about 30-1

now for those who like to use a long clutch but a shortie brake. MM set that up for you guys go to www.motomummy.com > products > levers > pazzo then at the top is a link to a page for long clutch/shortie brake. We devised these kits for guys like you in mind. this is the best of both worlds if you want a long clutch so you can use all your fingers. Also good for guys w/ stiffer clutch springs or those that ride in a lot of rush hour traffic.

hope this helps...

 

Shorties, shorties..why shorties?

Well, for me it's, 'less is more', like my whole philosophy for riding a bike to begin with.

If I can use a great-looking short lever and it works better than a stock long one, well, I'm all over it. I also like the fact that the shorties won't be damaged so easily in a drop or crash...this makes a difference if it's a simple lowside where you need to ride the bike home afterward.

So yeah, I like the shorty look better...so I'm glad they work so well for me...and I don't regret it LOL.

 

Mabe the pro's didnt try them on yet?:dunno :lol
I like the shorties,using only 2 fingers on both sides

 

So how would shorties be easier if the lever arm is shorter?:dunno

 

So how would shorties be easier if the lever arm is shorter?:dunno

they have a slightly different bernd to them that allows for a different leverage ratio.

and most of the professionals are using folding levers from either Brembo, ISR or AP.

The levers they use are custom to them, so they do not compare to "Long" or "Short" levers.

Also, the regular levers have a nothc on the end of the lever that will be the most probable place for the lever to break in case of tipover, This is there so that the lever breaks in the desired weakest spot to keep as much length as possible.
It's something that has been done on racing levers for many many years. (street and dirt).

Also, the Pazzo's have a slightly better feel to them than stock, and even the regular ones have a slightly different leverage ratio than stock.

they are also easier to adjust, and are made of much better material so that in the possibilty of accident they will be more likely to survive.

the stock levers are made of some of the worst metal i've ever come across on a bike.
The bearing material in the stovk levers is also crap, and the clutch lever on most bikes has long since oval'd due to crappy bearing material.
This gives poor feel and makes for a hard time adjusting the clutch cable properly as the leverage ratio is dynamic instead of static when manipulating the lever.

plus they oxidize and look terrible very quickly.


add all that up and for about $160 for the set (i think) you can replace two crappy levers with two good ones.

 

But since you're using it for a track bike, the advantage is that they're less likely to see the ground than stock length,

Biggest selling point for me (above quote).... as well as being able to 2 finger-quick clutch... has helped me (or at least feels better/less effort) when blipping and shifting quickly.

 

I still don't understand why so many racers use such long brake levers. I have seen so many crashes because of one bike touching another's brake lever and flipping the bike.

 

fiveoh: it's about sponsorships. they use what they get for free. it's not why don't the racers use shorties, but why doesn't brembo make shorties, etc...the isr levers i sell are not a full length lever. they are in between a shortie and a long. the races use mostly what they get for free or what their company can get.

pazzo's are picking up steam like crazy. on many bikes at the isle of man and about half a dozen british superbike teams run the pazzo shorties now...give it time

 

So a shorter lever requires less pressure

 

So a shorter lever requires less pressure

possibly
its called leverage.

remember the whole lever thing you learned in fourth grade science class?

physics and math can be put to great use in the engineering world.....
:crash

 

So a shorter lever requires less pressure

If this is the case I have some serious problems!!! I have to have my cable cranked so damb tight just to get rid of most off the play in the lever. My left fore arm is at muscle failure before I get to work.

:corn

 

possibly
its called leverage.

remember the whole lever thing you learned in fourth grade science class?

physics and math can be put to great use in the engineering world.....
:crash

The closer your fingers are to the pivot point, the more effort will be required.

 

um, evne w/ stock levers you have to adjust the cable and that's why it comes w/ adjusters...anytime you change a lever you'll probably have to adjust the cable a little...i had to w/ isr's also but does that mean isr is crap?

 

possibly
its called leverage.

remember the whole lever thing you learned in fourth grade science class?

physics and math can be put to great use in the engineering world.....
:crash

Indeed, but you have it backwards. A longer lever will require less energy for equal leverage. Just like a breaker bar... if you have a tight bolt, you don't get a really short wrench. You add an extension to the wrench, which gives you more leverage. I remember the rear axle bolt on my Triumph was torque so tight it broke two wrenches. Then I attached the bar from a race jack that was 4 feet long and I could have undone that bolt with a pinky. Yes, leverage is an awesome thing to use to your advantage. But a short lever will only have LESS leverage. Though really, leverage isn't really the problem with the levers. Some people have mentioned that the shorties are angled differently... maybe than stock, but I believe the arc is the same for a Pazzo short or long, just that the long continues that line longer.

The more I read what people's reasons are for shorties, and the more I think about the physics, I think I will inded order the long levers. Thanks for all the input (though much of it seems to be based on superstition ).

David