Some do dude, like the big beemers and the Honda gold wings. For our bikes though its practice and feel!!

 

Yamaha GTS1000

I know there is few of R1-Forum member has this bike

 

The Honda Blackbird has a sort of split system where if you use the front it automatically applies some back brake aswell:hellobye

 

The Interceptor has ABS and the 1100 xx and bimmers have linked braking systems

 

Honda VFR does

 

so how do you brake without locking them up when you have to slow down to hard and fast to avoid an accident or any other cases? thanks..

im not a guru, but ill tell you what lil i know, from what ive seen and heard, its a big debate.

but for regular braking, it should be 70% front, 30% rear, just enough to both dont lock. but in the case the back does lock, the correct thing to do is keep it locked and finish the slide. if you let it go, and brake again, it causes you to highside. so do 70/30, if it locks, hold it down all the way until bike stops and dont let go.

racers like keith code teach to never use back brakes period, all front.

finally, it is proven that if you use both brakes instead of just one or the other, you stop the fastest and ccrider courses will teach this is the most efficient way to stop.

with this teaching from ccrider and keith code, id say its up to you to know these facts and recommendations, and figure out whats best thru experience.

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personally, i always do 70/30. i havent rode track yet, so i dont know if braking at high speeds is best only done from front brakes like keith teaches. but from my experience , 70/30 works well. and if back locks, which has happened to me several times, i keep it locked even harder and come to a complete stop just fine.

its when you let go, and hit the back brakes again very quickly that makes the bike throw you off

im sure other gurus on this site can give better input on this. :beer

 

ABS in a good idea but until they can make it without the 30lbs that it adds to the front wheel it will never be on a sportbike...

30lbs of rotating mass is enormous...

 

keith porobly doesnt teach using reaer brake becasue the numberr of accidents will multiply and more ppl would high side ...more of a liabilty thing

 

The Honda Blackbird has a sort of split system where if you use the front it automatically applies some back brake aswell:hellobye

They call that linked braking

 

The Honda Blackbird has a sort of split system where if you use the front it automatically applies some back brake aswell:hellobye

yeah Blackbird has Linkage Braking System. When you apply the front level, the rear is going too. Its cool but not cool when you want to go to drag strip and do a burout :lol

 

Thanks for the info guys

 

Nothing personal against cyberena, but there is a lot of incorrect information in his post, but I only going to address one dangerous inaccuracy that appears twice since it could wind up getting some people hurt if they put credence in it. In the event that the rear brake is locked up and the rear end fishtails out a bit, it is NOT the release of the rear brake and then the subsequent reapplication of it that induces a high side as was posted, it is the mere release of the rear brake while the rear end is out of line with the front that induces a high side. It is very important to correct this incorrect statement because someone could believe it to be true and erroneously conclude that they can safely release the back brake in the case of a rear wheel lock-up, and as long as the rear brake is not reapplied, they are ok. This is false. It is the release of the brake, NOT the reapplication of it that can cause you to highside, since the rear tire can regain traction while it is misaligned with the wheel track, suddenly jerking the back end in line with the direction of forward progression, and launching the rider off in the process.

Edit = correct a couple of typos I spotted.

 

Doesn't the new interceptor offer abs brakes?? Personally it is not something I desire. I only use the rear brake when coming to a stop light, or for off course excursions.

- BA

 

Nothing personal against cyberena, but there is a lot of incorrect information in his post, but I only going to address one dangerous inaccuracy that appears twice since it could wind up getting some people hurt if they put credence in it. In the event that the rear brake is locked up and the rear end fishtails out a bit, it is NOT the release of the rear brake and then the subsequent reapplication of it that induces a high side as was posted, it is the mere release of the rear brake while the rear end is out of line with the front that induces a high side. It is very important to correct this incorrect statement because someone could believe it to be true and erroneously conclude that they can safely release the back brake in the case of a rear wheel lock-up, and as long as the rear brake is not reapplied, they are ok. This is false. It is the release of the brake, NOT the reapplication of it that can cause you to highside, since the rear tire can regain traction while it is misaligned with the wheel track, suddenly jerking the back end in line with the direction of forward progression, and launching the rider off in the process.

Edit = correct a couple of typos I spotted.

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Answering the original question on how to brake without locking you need to use the brush and burry method. That is to apply the front brake gently to start with until the weight of the bike transfers to the front. Then you can use the brake almost as hard as you want limited by the rear end lifting off the ground. This is all done in a split second of coarse. You have to try pretty hard to lock up a sport bikes front end these days as the brakes, tyres and feel are so good. The best thing is go to a vacant car park somewhere and have someone signal you when to brake and then practise your emergency stopping. I also think that the ratio front to rear is more like 90/10. I don't even use my rear brake except to stabilize the bike when I am pushing hard. Even in the wet.

 

Thanks for answering my questions so thoroughly guys!!

 

The new 2004 Yamaha FJR 1300 is offered with optional ABS brakes.

 

I work for a BMW motorcycle dealership, and most of the BMW bike offered have the option for abs. The abs option is excellent on the bigger cruzier, and even some of your smaller touring bikes. I have seen the big 900 pound cruzier run through wet grass at 55mph and then the brakes be hammered on it. First the rider stayed rubber side down and he came to a complete stop very quickly. This demonstration was executed several times so in some cases the abs system is excellent. On a sportbike, I want to feel the brakes more, and know what they are doing. Plus its kinda hard to do a stoppie with abs brakes.