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Ducati Threatens To Quit AMA Series

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#1 ·
they did it for RC, they did it HD - so why not Ducati


Ducati Superbike Boss Threatens To Quit AMA Series Over Rules
Aug 09, 2006

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Ciabatti: “Unless the AMA adopts World SBK Rules we will have to withdraw.”

Speaking in the paddock at Brands Hatch last weekend, Ducati Superbike Director Paolo Ciabatti said that Ducati will not continue in the AMA Superbike series unless there is some last-minute agreement in the AMA to adopt World Superbike rules, including an increase to 1200cc displacement for Twins whenever the FIM approves it.

“Just having traction control legalized in the AMA is not enough to allow a Twin to compete with Fours," Ciabatti told Roadracing World. "We need the compensations that we have in World Superbike. We need to be able to run a lighter crankshaft and to change primary gear ratios as we do here. Unless the AMA adopts World SBK Rules we will have to withdraw. Otherwise our 999 Twin under AMA rules is running at too big a disadvantage against the four-cylinder bikes.”

Adopting World Superbike rules across the board would make AMA Superbikes faster than they currently are, a sticking point since the bikes are already considered too fast for many AMA tracks.

Ciabatti plans to attend the AMA Superbike races at VIR August 18-20.
 
#3 ·
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LMAO Nice touch Gamb.
 
#4 ·
Sidious said:
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LMAO Nice touch Gamb.
:2bitchsla :2bitchsla :2bitchsla :2bitchsla
 
#6 ·
I hate it whenever a manufacturer comes along and says "our bikes are slower than theirs. Either make there's slower or give us an advantage so we can be faster." Harley did it with that monstrosity of a buell at daytona, honda did it to suzuki back in 04, and now this.

This is what I say to Ducati. If your twin can't beat a four, then make an f-ing four and compete with it instead. You had no problems making a 4 for the GP's(because you know a twin would have its ass handed to it by the big 4), so just some of that knowledge, make a 4 and compete with everyone else using the same displacement.
 
#7 ·
streetfight3r said:


This is what I say to Ducati. If your twin can't beat a four, then make an f-ing four and compete with it instead. You had no problems making a 4 for the GP's(because you know a twin would have its ass handed to it by the big 4), so just some of that knowledge, make a 4 and compete with everyone else using the same displacement.
Any idea what is going on in WSB these days?
 
#9 ·
KneeDragger77 said:
Any idea what is going on in WSB these days?
In my opinion, ducati isn't winning the championship, Troy Bayliss is, and there is a big difference in that. Even with Troy Bayliss, this season isn't anything like the 2003-2004 seasons(aka the international ducati cup). Every big 4 manufacturer has bought their game to the table(ok, maybe not so much kawisaki) and that is reflected in the championship standings

And if I'm not mistaken, the article states that twins are a hair short of getting approved for an increase in displacement in WSBK, which in my opinion is complete.
 
#12 ·
If you cant win playin' by the rules, then build a bike that can! Why should you get more displacement cause your technology sucks ass!:dunno
 
#15 ·
bigkvn1 said:
If you cant win playin' by the rules, then build a bike that can! Why should you get more displacement cause your technology sucks ass!:dunno
You are right, Ducati should improve their technology to compete with bikes that have 2 more cylinders than they do. Those Superbikes teams sure build those bikes to win, you know......Suzuki, Honda, Kawasaki, Yama..........oh wait, I think Yamaha isn't even competing this year? Or last year? Tossing their LE R1 at the superstock championship for fear of getting smoked in the superbike series?

I'm sure there is a peeeeeerfectly logical explaination for that...
 
#16 ·
KneeDragger77 said:
You are right, Ducati should improve their technology to compete with bikes that have 2 more cylinders than they do. Those Superbikes teams sure build those bikes to win, you know......Suzuki, Honda, Kawasaki, Yama..........oh wait, I think Yamaha isn't even competing this year? Or last year? Tossing their LE R1 at the superstock championship for fear of getting smoked in the superbike series?

I'm sure there is a peeeeeerfectly logical explaination for that...
Now now, you know what I'm getting at! Why should a class dominated by in-line 4's have to make consesessions for a twin?
 
#20 ·
it also depends on where a company wants to invest how much of their $$$ and r&d into whichever racing forum. yeah, ducati kicks ass in wsb and isn't so great in ama. suzuki kicks ass in ama superbike, but does poorly in moto gp. you could give these kinds of comparisons for almost every other company.
 
#21 ·
i dont like it when i see a 749 stomping all over 600's in the supersport class
 
#22 ·
KneeDragger77 said:
You are right, Ducati should improve their technology to compete with bikes that have 2 more cylinders than they do. Those Superbikes teams sure build those bikes to win, you know......Suzuki, Honda, Kawasaki, Yama..........oh wait, I think Yamaha isn't even competing this year? Or last year? Tossing their LE R1 at the superstock championship for fear of getting smoked in the superbike series?

I'm sure there is a peeeeeerfectly logical explaination for that...
blahblah blah blah...


every pay attention to the WSBK series?
haga is 2nd in the championship, while pitt is 6th...

haga got 2nd in the first race, then he got 1st in the second race at brands hatch with pitt also on the podium... yeah, yamaha cannot compete... IMO i dont give a shit what happens to the AMA, its rules are so far screwed up that its a lost cause anyhow.
 
#23 ·
aar0ncee said:
blahblah blah blah...


every pay attention to the WSBK series?
haga is 2nd in the championship, while pitt is 6th...

haga got 2nd in the first race, then he got 1st in the second race at brands hatch with pitt also on the podium... yeah, yamaha cannot compete... IMO i dont give a shit what happens to the AMA, its rules are so far screwed up that its a lost cause anyhow.
wait, I thought everyone thought the WSB rules were messed up?

Haga would be getting podiums no matter what bike he was on.



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#26 ·
i was at brands last sunday - awesome race

couple of things here guys

the displacment increase isn't on top of the current bikes ability - its so that ducati dont have to spend 100k extra to make their bike as competitive (they have the technology). the larger displacment means that they'll be able to run the bike for the same cost, with comparable baseline output before tuning. the inline 4s will improve and ducati will have to spend more and more to be competitive. personally i like seeing the variety of machinery in the racing. its not the r6 cup.....

an inline 4 is not obviously better than an inline 4, it has different characterics. you can generate more hp off the 4 as the shorter stroke allows higher revs. the delivery of a twin actually provides for more grip given the on-off pulses of the power. the gp bikes dont run inline 4s, they run v4s/v5s to produce the power and grip. there is actually talk of the road bikes being changed to emulate the 800cc v configuration instead of litre in-line 4s in the future

also comparing manufacturer to manfacturer is a bit off key too - there are works teams, combined sponsor ship teams and privateers. all have different spends/levels of manufacturer support. if you make the base models more competitive, it opens up the lower portions of the series to more teams and more choice. good thing imho