How to Change Your Oil FiveOh style.

fiveoh · Nov 22, 2005

I was just changing my oil tonight and it dawned on me that I have a few little tricks to make the most of the change. So, why not share them with my forum brothers? This applys directly to '02-03 R1s, but it should also work on the current generation. Regardless, test to make sure that the bike will crank without starting before dropping the oil!

Here goes:

First off you want the bike hot. So run it standing still until the fan kicks on (~220*), then shut it down and get right to work. This assures that the oil is as thin as it gets in order to drain as much as possible. Most people know this, but it's worth mentioning. Go ahead and drain the oil and remove the filter. Wait until the oil stops. Make sure your bike is in neutral.

Now with the filter and drain plug still out comes the first trick. Put the bike into diagnostic mode. While holding both buttons on the cluster turn the key to run. Continue to hold down the buttons until it displays "diag". Release the buttons and then press and hold them again until it says "d01:xx". In diagnostic mode the fuel injectors are disabled. Crank the bike for two 5-6 second bursts, with a rest in between, and watch how much more dirty oil comes out. Mostly from the filter boss.

Another common trick is to pre-fill the filter with oil. Do it! Pour it right up to the brim and wait for it to soak into the media. Then fill it up once more. Reinstall the filter and drain plug. Pour in the remainder of the oil amount spec'd in the manual. Cap it and then do the diag trick again. Cranking once more for about 6 seconds. This assures the the filter and the rest of the oiling path is primed and ready to go. Turn the key off, then back on again to clear out of diag mode. Start the bike and run it for about 15 more seconds, shut it down and wait 1 minute or so for the oil to settle. Then top off according to the window.

Hope this helps!
:riding

FOZZ · Nov 22, 2005

Sounds like a good plan to me - just not so sure about running the bike for 15 sec with no oil ?

:thumbup

Racer Dude · Jan 17, 2007

FOZZ said:
Sounds like a good plan to me - just not so sure about running the bike for 15 sec with no oil ?

:thumbup

15 seconds is a hell of a long time to spin a motor with no oil in it with the plugs firing or not.

fiveoh · Nov 22, 2005

You aren't running the bike. When it is in diag mode displaying "d01:xx" the bike will not fire. Put the kill switch to off if it make you feel better. You are mearly cranking the motor, no harm done.

FOZZ · Nov 22, 2005

New info for me - Never heard of it being done but does should like a great idea..

===>R1<=== · Nov 22, 2005

FOZZ said:
New info for me - Never heard of it being done but does should like a great idea..

:iamwithst I will give it a try...thanx

SyZyGy · Nov 22, 2005

I have a question. I'm kinda new to bikes and is there any special oil filter wrench I should use or just channel locks with a towel over the teeth.?

fiveoh · Nov 22, 2005

The local parts store should have ratchet drive filter wrenches that go over the end of it. Strap wrenches work too. Channel locks will get it off, but you needd to make sure it's on tight, and channel locks are a no-no for that.

SyZyGy · Nov 22, 2005

Thats why I was askin. I have a normal wrench that I use to change my Evo's oil, but I don't think it will reach on the bike. Plus, I'll probably burn my hand trying to get the oil filter off and on. Is there any technique to put the filter on so when I tip it to put it on I don't spill oil?

fiveoh · Nov 22, 2005

If you fill the filter up twice, it should just about absorb enough that it wont spill. The filter goes on horizontally, so you can't leave too much in there.

SyZyGy · Nov 22, 2005

Thanks man, you been a real help. I usually figure out things by trial and error, but I don't wanna mess up anything.

iblind1 · Nov 22, 2005

Here is a tip if you are looking for something to take off your oil filter with. I have a '04 and it doesn't have much clearance between the filter and the exhaust, so a strap or one of these (image below) works great. If you can't find one I know snap-on carries them.

Oh and one more thing you forgot to mention is to put a light coat of oil on the rubber seal around filter before installing it.

fiveoh · Nov 22, 2005

Yup, I debated on whether to mention it or not. Couldn't decide whether to just tell my tricks, or full blown how-to.

iblind1 · Nov 22, 2005

I just figured I would mention it. Some guys might have never changed their oil before, and will try doing it based on what is on this tread. It is actually really simple to do; maybe the hardest thing to do is take off the lower plastics and figure out how to take off the filter without getting 3rd degree burns on your hand (oh gloves help also around the pipes). If I remember correctly it tells you how to do it in the manual.

XShogunR1X · Nov 22, 2005

my trick for not getting burned..... remove fairings... start bike.... turn off bike.... remove drain plug... and filler cap.... then let oil drain and pipes cool.... then remove filter with above mentioned oil filter wrench.... haven't been burned once doing in that way

SportbikerR1 · Nov 22, 2005

WTF do u guys have huge ass monkey hands or something... i've had no problem not getting my hands near the pipes. Besides a few burns will toughen ya up for the future ;-)

:rock

4098 · Apr 7, 2010

Yep have a nicely scorched hand myself

I don't ever seems to need a wrench, I just wind the filter on by hand and then a few more turns until nice and tight..
Never seems to leak..

iblind1 · Nov 22, 2005

You know what they say big hands, Big...

Gloves:finger

SportbikerR1 · Nov 22, 2005

what big hairy patches on the palms to go with them

:finger

LOL

Cerebroden · Nov 22, 2005

ok so I asked the monkeys at eh yammy steelership about prepping the oil filter before putting it on, and I was told not to put any additional oil on it, and to just put it on dry. Can't remember why exactly but I do remember they told me specifically not to prime the filter with oil before I put it on. Are they full of shit again?

iblind1 · Nov 22, 2005

Well I typically prime the filter before putting it on. I usually don't put a lot in but I have always done it that way I don't see why it would hurt to prime the filter. However they are not talking about the rubber seal that should always be done.

fiveoh · Nov 22, 2005

I can't believe they told you that. If you leave it dry there will be a 2-3 second delay before any oil gets to the top end.

Phoenix1Rider · Jan 17, 2007

:rock Nice tips.

I've never heard anything bad about priming oil filters, those techs are probably full of shit.

fiveoh · Nov 22, 2005

Cranking the motor without oil pressure is one thing. But you never want it to fire without the ability to build pressure right away. There is always a delay between the engine firing and full pressure, but leaving the filter dry extends this quite a bit. Worst of all, leaving the main bearings without the pressure needed to control the loads from combustion. Here is the path oil takes:

hutless · Nov 24, 2005

On a Suzuki (sorry for swearing here) if you hold them full throttle the engine will crank but it will not start.

I have a feeling the Yamaha is the same.

If that's true it would be easier to just hold the throttle pinned and crank :thumbup

There will always be those who say "What if it starts ? "

"You'll blow your engine" etc ...... so flame away :2bitchsla

Captain Squid · Mar 1, 2007

hutless said:
On a Suzuki (sorry for swearing here) if you hold them full throttle the engine will crank but it will not start.

Any truth to this.....or does a superzook even have a diagnostic mode?

1longR1 said:
i remember that magazine article. they cooked a zx6 or zx7 running it without oil. it did run for quite a while. man thats old article.. that was back in like 93 or so.

I've heard a few stories as well about them draining oil out of bikes and starting them.....they all ran for a good little while too

SyZyGy · Nov 25, 2005

Thanks FiveOh. I took off my fairing and disconnected the left turn signal. Drained the oil and took off the oil filter. WTF, when I took off my oil filter the oil dripped on one of the header pipes. Is that supposed to happen? Oh well, I wiped it off, and went on a 10 minute ride in 25 degree weather :crash . Thanks for the advice man! :bow

fiveoh · Nov 25, 2005

SyZyGy said:
and disconnected the left turn signal.

:dunno ?

===>R1<=== · Nov 25, 2005

fiveoh said:
:dunno ?

:iamwithst

:dunno

SyZyGy · Nov 25, 2005

I had to disconnect the turn signal to remove the lower left fairing, so the oil from the drain plug doesn't get all over the heat shielding, and to get easy access to the oil filter. Did I do too much?

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