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Looks amazing...gotta try it...lol

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When you're speaking of lean angle you also have to take the line into consideration and riding style. Let’s look at Josh Hayes and Josh Herrin. Both ride identical bikes, but Hayes riding style compared to Herrin is different in that Hayes does not lean the bike that far while Herrin style is to lean it more. Hayes leans the bike as much as he needs to and no more; because of this, he is more on the meat of the tire and is able to accelerate harder out of the corners. As we can see in AMA, this is allowing Hayes to be 3-5 sec ahead of the competitors. Now on the other side, MM really leans his bike and is able to go really fast through the turns. They say that riders who come from the 600 class lean more because of the nature of the less aggressive power of a 600 compared to a liter bike. Plus the new generation riders are more comfortable with modern traction control and have full faith in them while the older riders would rather not lean the bike as much. At the end of the day I think the fastest rider will be the one who can master their riding technique and the bike’s ability on that particular track.

 

I believe during the Laguna race they were talking about Rossi leaning over to 61 or 62* and then Marquez came through and did one degree more.

That kid is a machine


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No need to lean it more if it turns.

 

I guess this is true. But even today durin the practice sessions, the commentators kept refering back to "Ok here is Bradl, lets see how much lean angle he gets...". Basically really focusing on that. I wasn't sure exactly what affect it had on riding when some lean more than others.

 

MM doesn't carry as much lean angle as you think, it's about his body position.:fact

 

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He hangs off like a mofo :fact

 

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The broadcast did a side by side camparo of MM and DP a couple races ago. In the same corners Pedro was 3-5* over more than MM. It looked like MM had so much more lean, but it's because of his BP.

 

I haven't read any of the other posts, so if this has been addressed, please forgive me :crash

Hondas may have more lean angle, but that equates to less corner speed...

You can't go as fast as you would in a straight line opposed to being leaned over right? :crash

Yamaha (well JL99 in particular) likes to keep the bike upright to maintain higher corner speed...

e.g. 64 degrees of lean may yield a max corner speed of 45mph, 54 degrees of lean may allow 55mph in that same corner. Other variables come into play like tire dimensions, riding style, engine crankshaft/drivetrain configurations, suspension geometry, etc. :dunno

The bottom line is, the less the bike is leaned over, the faster you can go. But steep lean angle can produce different lines on the track... It's a game of chess, not checkers :crash

MM93 hangs off the bike to keep the bike as upright as possible through a corner, if that makes any sense :dundun:

 

Good explanation


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The more the rider hangs off the bike the less the bike has to be leaned over. So in other words ... what matters is the angle of the center of gravity and not the angle of the bike.

 

Oh and they always say the Yamahas like fast sweeping corners vs Honda are good at powering out if the corners. So if your on a Honda you can cut closer to the inside get more lean angle, then pick the bike up and take off? Does that sound right.


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He ain't just hangin off the bike, he's leaning that thing to nearly the point of no return :fact

 

Great explanations, helps me understand it a lot better.