What's a chicane?

 

It's a seriers of tight turns to slow down the cars/bikes.

 

What's a chicane?

I believe a Chicane is a set of corners set in place to reduce speeds. They are often seen on a normal straight or highspeed bend, the track makes kind of a deture in to a set of corners and often back on to the original path.

 

I thought I heard something to the effect that two drivers had blowouts somewhere around the 4th to 5th lap. Guess it was blamed on the speed and the corners banking which was putting a lot of stress on the rear left tire. Anyways, seems like a tires issue to me but I guess if the way to solve the issue is to slow the cars down, so be it.

 

sounds like a bunch of bitchin because they cant make tires correctly...

 

Thanks for the explanation. I guess they need to come up with better tires.

 

The FIA has no reason to build a chicane. Michelin dropped the ball by constructing inferior tires for that course. It wouldn't be fair to the Bridgestone teams if they built the chicane.

Btw, Schumacher wins

 

Ok...indy just repaved the track..it was shredding tires.Michelin brought what they thought was a good tire from last years data and was never told of what the new track conditions were like on the banked straightaway...bridgestone is owned by firestone who,guess what,just won the indy 500.

 

Ok...indy just repaved the track..it was shredding tires.Michelin brought what they thought was a good tire from last years data and was never told of what the new track conditions were like on the banked straightaway...bridgestone is owned by firestone who,guess what,just won the indy 500.

I, a nobody, knew the track was recently repaved. Are you telling me that Michelin didn't know? Is Michelin foolish enough not to consider recent changes?

 

What a joke! Michelin can't make a competitive tire for Indy so they want the FIA to put A chicane in the middle of turn 13. You didn't see Bridgestione pulling their cars off the grid or asking for changes to the course in every other race this season when Michelin had the advantage. The FIA & the Bridgestone teams absolutely did the right thing by running the race, it sucks for the fans that were there but it was the right thing.
IMO Michelin needs to take the blame for this 100% and needs offer an appolgy to the Tony George (who I can't stand because of the whole CART/IRL thing), the USGP fans and to F1 fans all over the world for screwing up and making a joke of what could have been a great race.
Rant over. :rant

 

HERE's the RESULTS-

Ferrari win six-car Indianapolis race

Red one-two and a Jordan podium as Michelin withdraw

The US Grand Prix began to go wrong when all of the 14 Michelin runners came into the pits at the end of the green flag lap, leaving only Michael Schumacher on ‘pole position’ from Ferrari team mate Rubens Barrichello, the two Jordans of Tiago Monteiro and Narain Karthikeyan, and the two Minardis of Christijan Albers and Patrick Friesacher in front of the shocked 130,000 crowd.

After Ralf Schumacher’s left rear tyre failure on Friday afternoon, Michelin advised their runners that they could not guarantee their tyres for the race. Several ideas were mooted and the Michelin teams agreed to let the Bridgestone runners start ahead of them on the grid and to forego any championship points provided a chicane was erected in Turn 13.

However, the FIA had already stated that changing the track layout was not an option, informing Michelin that their teams could either use their existing tyres and run more slowly through 13, make tyre changes on safety grounds if necessary, or they could start with new tyres and risk being penalised for breaking the regulations.

At the start of the six-car race, Schumacher duly jumped ahead of Barrichello, with Monteiro third and Albers momentarily ousting Karthikeyan for fourth before the Jordan driver asserted himself.

Barrichello made the first of two stops on lap 24, but Schumacher’s stop a lap later occupied 16.8s as a left rear tyre had been damaged by a bottle thrown on to the track by an irate spectator and had to be changed. Barrichello thus led and kept the initiative until his next stop on lap 49.

Again Schumacher stopped a lap later, but this time he was at the end of the pit lane exit, where it feeds into Turn 1, at the very moment that Barrichello arrived there. The Brazilian was obliged to run off the road to avoid a collision, and after that the result was sealed.

Monteiro ran third throughout, with Karthikeyan, Albers and three-stopping Friesacher spread out.

Since nobody else went far enough to be classified, they were the only points scorers, and the race matched the 1961 Dutch Grand Prix as the only one in which all starters have finished.

Schumacher’s 10 point haul brings him up to third, behind Fernando Alonso on 59, and Kimi Raikkonen on 37. Barrichello moves to fourth, ahead of Jarno Trulli’s 27, with 29. Ferrari rise to joint second in the team standings on 63 points.

 

Formula one has been boring a long time now (since the early nineties anyway). To much politics (Ferrari getting there own way, hence the break away series still looming).

Bring bakc the Senna, Prost and Mansel years, now that was racing. Schumacher is too mechanical (and like Prost, political), with only Damon and Mika as his main rivals.

Still at least its not as boring as watching low tech gas guzzlers running round ovals.

 

excuses excuses, they ruined what should have been a great event for the fans...

 

I was there..it sucked.....

It was just a big 73 lap practice. They weren't even running fast.

What a mess. If it would've been a nascar race, riots would've ensued and the police wouldn't be able to do ANYTHING to stop 100k+ ppl from tearing apart IMS. It was pretty tense atmosphere for a while. The police had riot gear on and ready.

Un****ing believable!

 

What's a chicane?

 

Time to put I few things right, I guess.
Michelin does have a manufacturing problem that simply didn't show up before that race because nowhere else in the F1 calendar there is apart of an oval track to run on.
They even flew in a different production lot because they thought it was a problem limited to one production batch only, but discovered on the test stand that the problem was a general one. (delamination at the corner of the tires. This has nothing to do with stretching the limits, but only with how it is produced)
So the only way to run on that track with those tires was to reduce speeds in the critical section. Ferrari however blocked this option, hoping for an outcome as we saw it.
Good for their points account, but very bad for the sport. A huge damage was done to F1, one more reason to rather watch motorcycle races!

 

Time to put I few things right, I guess.
Michelin does have a manufacturing problem that simply didn't show up before that race because nowhere else in the F1 calendar there is apart of an oval track to run on.
They even flew in a different production lot because they thought it was a problem limited to one production batch only, but discovered on the test stand that the problem was a general one. (delamination at the corner of the tires. This has nothing to do with stretching the limits, but only with how it is produced)
So the only way to run on that track with those tires was to reduce speeds in the critical section. Ferrari however blocked this option, hoping for an outcome as we saw it.
Good for their points account, but very bad for the sport. A huge damage was done to F1, one more reason to rather watch motorcycle races!

Ferrari finally had an advantage with the small oval section of that race track. Why should they give up their advantage when they have had the disadvantage all season long? Ferrari did nothing wrong. They came to the race prepared, and raced fairly. The Michelin teams came with inferior tires and couldn't race. End of story.

 

"So the only way to run on that track with those tires was to reduce speeds in the critical section. Ferrari however blocked this option, hoping for an outcome as we saw it.
Good for their points account, but very bad for the sport. A huge damage was done to F1, one more reason to rather watch motorcycle races!"

Ferrari didn't necessarily block it. It just simply wasn't possible to build and guarantee the safety of a chicane at such short notice just because a tyre manufacturer couldn't get their act together. While the racing obviously suffered, at the end of the day any breach of safety rules and other sporting regulations would have had far more profound ramifications.

 

It just simply wasn't possible to build and guarantee the safety of a chicane at such short notice just because a tyre manufacturer couldn't get their act together.

Not true. It was possible! (Quote from the race track owner, who should know!)
Its a profound problem of F1, they can't agree on anything currently.

My point is that it's way to simple to blame Michelin. Mistakes can happen, you don't have any means to absolutely avoid that. But failing to make concessions is something else!

 

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Michelin took the right decision!! They even brought some safer tires from Europe in time, but the Ferrari was :cryin , than they suggest the chicane, the FIA and the stupid Ferrari team were :cryin !!!

Michelin did everything they could, but the stupid people at Ferrari was the problem, what a bunch of assholes, like they have always been anyway.

They simply couldn't race on these tires, it was clear, way too dangerous!! So in a case like that you got to take a different way, Ferrari and the FIA were not intelligent enough to deal with a situation like that. I hope they wil pay for that, the GP F1 association ( Toyota, Renault, BMW, Honda, Mercedes, Cosworth)
may now be a reality in 2008!!!!

 

Not true. It was possible! (Quote from the race track owner, who should know!)
Its a profound problem of F1, they can't agree on anything currently.

My point is that it's way to simple to blame Michelin. Mistakes can happen, you don't have any means to absolutely avoid that. But failing to make concessions is something else!

It's easy to blame Michelin because it's their fault for not being prepared for the race and expecting the FIA and Bridgestone teams to make concessions.
Peter Windsor was on Wind Tunnel last night and he made the comment that even if all the bridgestone teams agreed to putting a chicane in turn 13 that the FIA would never agree to it.
If any concessions should have been made they should have been made by the Michelin teams to slow down around turn 13 and race amoungst themselfs for the final two points positions.
It was Michelin that came unprepared. Why should Bridgestone have to conform to any rule changes when they built a good tire.
All season long Michelin tires have been superior and we didn't see Bridgestone teams looking for any concessions.
This has left a terrible black eye on F1 in the US and it will take them a long time to recover from it.

 

I hope they wil pay for that, the GP F1 association ( Toyota, Renault, BMW, Honda, Mercedes, Cosworth)
may now be a reality in 2008!!!!

I think we are getting very close to that happening. It was intersting how NO Michelin teams went out, even if one team sent both their cars out and did one lap each thay could have gotten points.
No doubt Bernie has a major mess on his hands.

 

As if F1 wasn't fighting a loosing battle in the US, the Frenchies have to whine about the rules and threaten to take their ball home if they aren't changed...

EVERYONE had to know about the new surface.... EVERYONE is required to bring suitable tires for their race. The simple fact is that they could have raced had they only slowed down.... something I'm sure the Bridgestone tire users have to do on other tracks.

All this has accomplished is take the fringe fans of F1 and push them away to IRL/Champ/NASCAR, and dissillusion the real race fans.

Besides, everyone knows the real race this weekend was in Les Mans where the US took the overall win and the 'vette took 1-2 in GT1

 

Not true. It was possible! (Quote from the race track owner, who should know!)
Its a profound problem of F1, they can't agree on anything currently.

My point is that it's way to simple to blame Michelin. Mistakes can happen, you don't have any means to absolutely avoid that. But failing to make concessions is something else!

Changing the track would present an unfair advantage to the Michelin teams. Are you saying that the FIA should have awarded the Michelin teams for bring inferior tires to the race?

 

If any concessions should have been made they should have been made by the Michelin teams to slow down around turn 13 and race amoungst themselfs for the final two points positions.

Now, away from theory: How should that have been done? How fast would have been safe? This is completely unrealistic.
The one taking higher risk would have had advantage. As a result we most likely would have seen a major accident, possible with killed riders or even spectators.
Not really a solution.

It was Michelin that came unprepared.

A huge simplification.

All season long Michelin tires have been superior and we didn't see Bridgestone teams looking for any concessions.

Comparing apples with oranges. The question was not if Michelin tires were inferior but they were unsafe, because of a manufacturing process problem that dodn't cause trouble so far.