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Soaking '04 Clutch plates - how long?

7.2K views 20 replies 10 participants last post by  helmethair  
#1 ·
So my 04 clutch was getting progressively worse. It went from every once in an while to all of the time sticking. It is dangerous that way. Has around 600 miles on her now.

Anyways, I've got it apart right now and it is soaking. How long is enough?


Thanks.
 
#3 ·
I have the same miles. If I had your problem I'd go to the dealer and make them fix this.
 
#5 ·
So I let them soak for about 1 hour and started to put it back together.

I didn't wipe the plates off but simply put them back in soaking. When I put the pressure plate on the clutch would simply slip without any force.

I took them back out and wiped them down a bit and put them back in. A-OK now.

Put the bike back together and went for a ride. For the first few shift it was still sticking but I went a little further and BLING= Everything is awesome now.

Much better up and of course down shifts. This is the way it should have come from the factory!!!!!

BTW, my plates were bone dry when I took the bike apart.

And for those who say it goes away, not for me. Mine was getting progressive worse not better, even after 2 oil changes, lots of gear shifting, lots of rpms etc.
 
#8 ·
Snobike Mike said:
So I let them soak for about 1 hour and started to put it back together.

I didn't wipe the plates off but simply put them back in soaking. When I put the pressure plate on the clutch would simply slip without any force.

I took them back out and wiped them down a bit and put them back in. A-OK now.

Put the bike back together and went for a ride. For the first few shift it was still sticking but I went a little further and BLING= Everything is awesome now.

Much better up and of course down shifts. This is the way it should have come from the factory!!!!!

BTW, my plates were bone dry when I took the bike apart.

And for those who say it goes away, not for me. Mine was getting progressive worse not better, even after 2 oil changes, lots of gear shifting, lots of rpms etc.
Glad to hear that it worked. I'm sure the questions others with this problem want to know are:

What oil did you use for the two changes before soaking the plates? And what oil did you use to soak the plates in? (Brand, Viscosity?)
 
#9 ·
I did use a new gasket, it was $12.63 Cdn including taxes.

I was using 20W40 Yamalube for all oil changes. Some guys talked about changing using 5W30 for a short period of time.

As I mentioned earlier, my plates were pratically bone dry, they need a good soak so even if you use 5W30, you may not have an even distribution of soakage (good word) which could cause hot spots, etc in the clutches.

I soaked them in 20W50 mineral oil.


Hopefully it has solved the problem permanently. Was good for the 20 or so miles I put on.

Will keep you posted.
 
#10 ·
Snobike Mike said:
I did use a new gasket, it was $12.63 Cdn including taxes.

I was using 20W40 Yamalube for all oil changes. Some guys talked about changing using 5W30 for a short period of time.

As I mentioned earlier, my plates were pratically bone dry, they need a good soak so even if you use 5W30, you may not have an even distribution of soakage (good word) which could cause hot spots, etc in the clutches.

I soaked them in 20W50 mineral oil.


Hopefully it has solved the problem permanently. Was good for the 20 or so miles I put on.

Will keep you posted.
I used the same oil myself. I changed it at 120 miles and moments later, the problem went away. Luckily I did not have to soak the plates. My problem was no way near as bad as yours or as the others that mention it. I guess I got lucky. Keep us posted on what transpires.....
 
#11 ·
I thought this thread was gonna be about damaged plates from too many clutch wheelies. I was surprised to see you had probs at 600 miles
 
#12 ·
I can't wheely to save my life.:(

I'm not an abuser at all of my bike, just breaking it in reasonably hard.

Changed the oil at 125 miles and again at 580 miles.

It's for the track anyways so I was finishing up the break in and had to fix the clutch because you don't want to be tipper 'er in at a buck twenty and no clutch.

We'll she how she does this Sat at the track.
 
#13 ·
You don't have to soak the clutch plates, just be sure they are good and oiled.
The older type plates such as Barnet, had to be soaked, but a R-1 racing/engine builder told me the new type plates only need to be wet before assembly. The problem many of us are having is that the plates were assembled to dry.
See my post today: Clutch problems on 04 are now gone.
This little trick worked so good I can hardly believe it! My clutch was sticking right up to 855 miles when I tried the quick fix.
 
#15 ·
That's cool Mike, but there's really no risk to damage. I intentionally used a 1/2 " drive instead of a 3/8" for the added strength. I had someone else help me lay it down very gently; no body parts touching and the fix is free! ;)
 
#19 ·
:iamwithst

I wouldn't run the bike to long leaned over, you'll starve it for oil.

Furthermore, I think the bike has a bank angle sensor which will cut the engine if leaned over to far, and you'd have to lean over quite far to get the clutch submersed in oil enough to work. Otherwise you'd only get some or portions of the plates, not the whole plate.

Either use the oil squirt method, or spend 8 bucks and a beer or two and take it apart.

I love my R1!!!!!!
 
#20 ·
I took my clutch plates out of my 04 today and they are soaking in yamalube 10w-30 as I write this, I'll let it soak over night and re-install. My question is the metal plates have bluing and dark black marks on them I was thinking of taking a SCOTCHBRITE pad and lightly scrub the metal plates to remove the marks.
What do you think...
:fork
 
#21 ·
(Snobike Mike)
There's no need to run the engine while the bike is leaned over. All that's needed is to warm up the engine to thin out the oil, shut it off and lean it over to allow some oil to flow into the clutch basket. I left mine over night, but who knows, a few minutes may be all it would take.
The theory originally was to allow the disks to soak, however that is not true. Most, if not all new type disks used today do not require soaking, however they do need to be pre oiled sufficiently. There appears to be a couple different ways to achieve the same results. The squirt method is also a good one, but it’s not at all necessary to disassemble the clutch housing, clutch, basket, disks and plates.