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SV650 to R1?

3.7K views 40 replies 16 participants last post by  jburney  
#1 ·
Hey guys, I just got back into bike riding this year after doing a very small amount of riding back in college. 32 years old, pretty responsible guy, I took the MSF class and bought an SV650 to ride, even though some people told me that the SV was way too much motorcycle for starting out.

I've put 7,000+ miles on the SV and haven't had any drops or problems. I ride mostly the windy canyon and mountain roads west of Denver and went into a dealership last weekend looking for something with a better suspension and a little more grunt than my SV (and something that looks, rrrrmrmrmrm, HAWTER). My SV is also the naked variety and has ZERO wind protection on the highway, which even though I don't do a lot of highway miles, sucks ass.

I've always thought about an R1 but figured it was way too much power for normal street riding. A buddy of mine who was with me (who has been riding and done some racing for like 30 years) told me that I would be disappointed with a 600cc bike, that his son's R6 buzzed like crazy at highway speeds and he really recommended I go with something bigger.

I looked at the GSXR750 and was also considering the Honda CBR600RR. Once I sat on that R1 though I think I was hooked. I love the riding position on the bike and it is of course absolutely gorgeous. I asked the sales guy how much $$ they want and he said they were having a weekend sale for $9600 on the '04. That's a really good price for the bike here as everyone wants list price, in fact they wouldn't budge at all from list on the GSXR-750 because they are so popular. This makes the R1 cost about what the GSXR costs. When I checked out the GSXR it seemed to have a more aggressive riding position than the R1 that I didn't really dig, the yoke seemed further back and pegs seemed higher. The fit and finish on the GSXR also seemed very poor compared to the R1 and of course the styling is dated in comparison to the R1.

So anyhow, I put $100 on the last Shift Red colored one they had to hold it for a week while I think about it. The bike would mostly be used for riding in the mountains at high altitude where you can lose 15-20% of your horsepower (I only bring this up because the loss of HP on the SV is somewhat noticeable at higher elevations). I want a bike that handles well, but it would be nice to have something that wasn't so terrible for highway trips that I couldn't do them.

The guys at the SV board are by and large supportive of the R1 option and don't think that it will be overkill for an older (32 years old) guy like me who took his time learning the SV. There are a few of them saying though that the R1 is extremely buzzy, turns in slowly and that the motors are timebombs.

:scared

The thread is here if anyone wants to read up;

http://www.svrider.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=30916&sid=6e65d0312885563e98932c0719a79102

I'm looking for general advice from the gurus. I don't want a stunt bike but I do want a quick, sporty bike with a top notch suspension for moderately quick runs up in the mountains and foothills, and it's gotta look uber hawt (at least compared to an SV). I'm pretty fast with my SV through the canyons but not crazy fast like some of the guys I see that blaze through there at track speeds.

Any ways, advice would be appreciated, I also have to decide if I'm gonna sell the SV or keep it when I get the new bike.

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#2 · (Edited)
Dude I went from a GS500 to an R1, and I'm a 22year old punk. Anyways, I say get it. The power will startle you at times for the first week or two, but after that you get to where you know what to expect, and its alot of fun. Its really not as scarry and insane as alot of people make it out to be. I heard stories like looping it in 3rd gear and power wheelies at 100 mph, but its not really like that.

I have an 01 and it is a bit buzzy but you can get some bar ends, plus I think that the 04's are alot better about that. The turn in is a bit slow, but it is a litter bike, I run a 180 on mine and its just a bit tougher to turn than my buddy R6. And I think there are a couple of guys on here who already have over 25k miles on their 04s, so you can take that for what its worth.

And you said you want some thing for highway trips, Well there couldn't be anything more fun than an R1 on the highway......well maybe an R1 on the racetrack:rock

anyways hope this convinced you some....later
 
#5 ·
Do it. From reading your post, you sound responsible, and have the experience. You know your personal limits, and once you find those (and are mature enough to stick by them) in my opinion the bike doesn't really matter.
Of course, be careful and ease into the power of the one, youll be amazed at how hard the power "hits" in the upper revs, coming from your current steed.

I wanna see a pic of your new baby at this time next week! Oh and welcome to the board!
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#7 ·
Thanks for the encouragement guys. I guess you always have that little bit of trepidation when buying such a powerful machine. Good thing I didn't have any kind of motorcycle when I was an angry 16 year old, I'd be dead now.

There's also always those folks who insist if you don't do a bike progression the way they did (50cc dirtbike, 200cc dirt bike, 350cc street bike, ad naseum) that you're gonna get in over your head and die.

Then there's my friend who simply can't get in any car or on any bike without winding it up, dumping the clutch and "seeing if it goes like stink on a monkey". Needless to say I don't let him drive my cars or ride my bikes.

People with absolutely no self control sort of piss me off.

:cool:
 
#8 ·
justforfun said:
Go for it! Know your limits and you'll be fine...you'll become an overnight celebrity. Alot of people loves the look of the bike and will talk to you at a stop light or gas station:thumbup
Awwww, you edited out the "once you know your limits it's time to have fun" part!!

:rock
 
#9 ·
I am 32... You sound grounded. A grea point earlier was the one regarding being able to ride as slow as you did on your SV. After riding a full liter bike, I get on 600 and recently a 750 and I find the difference acceeptable but after a while I start to miss my R1... As for the R1, turned me from a die hard Honda guy (I still love Honda though) with a great appreciation for Yamaha. The new R1 are poignantly fast, and were designed for the track. The 02-03 IMO are much more 'street' ridable. If you do get a new 04 still an incredible bike but a very hearty top end, be warned. Good luck and let us know what you do.
 
#10 ·
I went from a sv1000 to the R1, and they are totally different rides. I seemed to get in more trouble learning when i was on my sv because that torque was a much harder hit then the R1, but the feeling after 7K's on the tach is unbelieveable. I can almost assure you that if you can handle a sv, you can definetly handle an R1. Totally different, but definately not dissappointing..

p.s.=I wheelied over and totalled my sv, that sucked!
 
#11 · (Edited)
As long as I'm getting all this attention :eek:, let me pick all your guys brains for a minute.

What's a good source for getting a front and rear stand for the R1? I don't do a ton of maintenance but plugs, filters, chain adjustments and oil changes are easily in my reach if I have the right stuff.

Frame sliders? Worth investing in? I have a feeling it would save the frame if you wiped it out but of course the fairing would be toasted. Putting frame sliders on the SV made me feel a little bit better about leaning it in on the corners (back when I thought that a 30 degree lean angle was really pushing it baby!).



:hellobye
 
#14 · (Edited)
ricosuave said:
You can do it. But just my two pennies....you will not be dissapointed by a 600 or a 750 after stepping off an sv650. I'll go so far as to bet that you will be happily pleased by them.
Would I really learn a lot more by being on a smaller bike like a 600 SS for a couple of years? The irritating thing is that the R1 is about the same price as the 600s I would consider and the R1 is sooooo much nicer. I was almost sold on the GSXR-750 actually until some bastard put it next to the R1.

As I indicated earlier I very well might keep my SV for pushing cornering, tuning up skills and possible track days and the R1 just for the fun street machine.
 
#15 ·
SV650 Poser said:
As long as I'm getting all this attention :eek:, let me pick all your guys brains for a minute.

What's a good source for getting a front and rear stand for the R1? I don't do a ton of maintenance but plugs, filters, chain adjustments and oil changes are easily in my reach if I have the right stuff.

Frame sliders? Worth investing in? I have a feeling it would save the frame if you wiped it out but of course the fairing would be toasted. Putting frame sliders on the SV made me feel a little bit better about leaning it in on the corners (back when I thought that a 30 degree lean angle was really pushing it baby!).



:hellobye
Stands. Pitbulls or Redlines. Ian (Redline) is a forum sponsor, and I think the quality is very good for a good price point. The Pitbulls are more well known, and they also are very good, but do cost more. I do the same things (filters, chain, oil etc), and I picked up a used Pitbull. Would have been happy to pick up a used Redline, but someone on this site was offering a Pitbull, so I accepted.

Frame Sliders. Cheap Insurance. They generally will protect your FRAME. If you want to protect your FAIRINGS as well, then consider the Shogun Frame Sliders. They're a little bit longer. Still even with the Shoguns, there is no 100% guarantee that they'll protect your FAIRINGS, but they'll take the brunt of any damage that you may do. Again, Cheap Insurance. Buy it. Also consider SwingArm Spools. They perform double duty. #1) Spools for the rear Swing Arm Stand, and #2) also as a small swingarm slider. While you're at it, get a Clutch Slider and Bar Ends. All this'll probably put you somewhere around $150, but it's worthwhile in my opinion.

Earache is pretty popular here with his custom made warez as well as some of the sponsors like tobefast.com. Check these places 1st, as I'm sure you'll find good stuff.

Everything I've said can be found by doing a search on this forum. I was new here once too, and that's how I learned. There are even some great pictures of the sliders on a Blue 04 R1 that make it a no brainer.

Good luck.
 
#16 ·
Pitbulls for more money but clean reined product. Redline to support a Forum Sponsor and very good product. Most of us do our own bike work and I am guilty of being an anal freak about my bike.... So welcome to the club!...
get the R1.
peace
xDx
 
#17 ·
You should be ok as long as you are fairly responsible... The R1 is not a hard bike to ride, but it will bite you in a hurry if you don't respect it at all times...

- BA
 
#18 ·
From being at relatively the same altitude as you, let me tell you to get the R1. What dealer do you have the deposit with? Don't buy that "sale" ploy. They're just trying to unload their old inventory before the '05 arrives and riding season is almost over. And they wouldn't have it if they weren't such crooks to begin with. If you want to spend $400 more for an '05, talk to the guys at Fremont Motorsports. They're the only non-crooks I've found in this state.

My R1 cent.

Cheers!:beer
 
#19 · (Edited)
I have the deposit down with Grand Prix. They are crooks but not as bad of crooks as some other dealers.

What is the out the door price at Fremont before taxes? Is the '05 really worth the extra $$$? The only difference I am aware of between '04 and '05 is the year on the manufacturing plate.

What's a # for Fremont? I just did a dealer search and they don't even show up in the state of CO dealer listing on the Yamaha website.
 
#20 · (Edited)
List on the '05 is $10,999 and Fremont is selling them for a grand less. Just like they did for my '04. I think it's worth the extra coin just from the depreciation factor alone, and like I said earlier, you're not going to get much riding in over the winter. Plus, Yamaha might have tweeked out a couple of issues. But the '05 should start arriving here soon. They're getting 2 raven, 1 blue, and 1 red.

:beer

EDIT: I just saw your last update. Check them out here
I think the number is under contact info. Thes are nice people. You want to talk to Ryan.
 
#21 ·
You'll be fine, get the R1. I'm about the same age as you, and I started on a 2000 R1 four years ago. I picked up the 04 back in July. I have the same color and love it. I get lots of compliments on it too. I have pitbull rear stand, and you can see my other extras in my signature. Good luck, you'll love it!
 
#22 ·
I wanted to thank everyone here, after calling the dealer 150 miles south of here and confirming their $1000 off on a new '05 R1 I went back to my local dealer and got them to knock another $200 off of the '04.

So I ended up getting the '04 for $9499 plus tax which I think is a good deal, I can take the $500 I am saving and throw it towards some better leathers or pay my first year's insurance.

Thanks again!
 
#25 ·
jburney said:
Hey SV650 Poser,

I responded earlier to your thread on svrider.com. Welcome to the fold. Keep the SV for a track bike if you can.

Tons of great info and useful advice here on r1-forum.

Enjoy the new ride.
Thanks! , is this Nova from SVrider? I will be picking the bike up tomorrow, can't wait! I will be shopping for a rear stand and sliders really soon, I hate storing bikes on their kick stands.
 
#26 ·
Motopix over in the SV world. Should be here too but I never could get it reregistered after the new mgmt of this board took over :dunno

I spend alot more time over here than at svrider.com

p.s. prepare to go broke buying goodies :riding