On my 2010 fully closed throttle I get .70 and fully open I get 1.1

 

you need to manually input 4.192 into the software unless your doing it on a dyno. closed is not 0v. closed is .701v

if your open is reading 1.1v that means from about 20% throttle opening you pcv is behaving like your at 100% throttle and you map is not doing its job...

-j

 

yeah man i'm totally confused, i dont think i ever noticed it before, when i first
installed the pcV i'm sure all i did was hit reset as they say to do... wait till its warmed up, idles... shutt off and hit reset... obviously i never bothered with the max open setting cause i dont have a dyno... well now i got autotune and this is what i see!??

guess i'll try ruling out the wire, check for crimped fuel hoses under tank {seems some had this happen to them n' showed weird values on diag. mode},... other than that... i'm open to suggestions!

 

or just get a bazzaz it's so simple with there software

 

if i hear that one more time, i swear...

no offense dude but i dont have cash to throw around.! i've gone with dynojet because of past experience with the company, and never had a problem before.. they have been helping me figure out whats what and i really dont think this has anything to do with their stuff...

i'm sure there are problems with install that arise with either hardware.. but thanks..

it looks like my TPS may be fubar, will test tomorrow to see what's what, but obviously if i'm now getting absolutely facked up values at the WHITE WIRE... there's only one i'm sure i saw the old man wire it up correctly.. hes a pro.. and hell its 1 wire connection, how can you get that wrong...

if that checks out, will test with ohm meter to see if it is within range.. but honestly, it cannot be... the bike feels totally different today than it did a couple days ago... there is something wrong with the tps.. and the diag. mode just confirms it

reality is at least the bike is ONLY 4 months into warranty, and has barely 3000 kms... i have a couple of dealers i can go through so that should
not be a problem with warranty... its the time issue actually.!! i'm leaving for a big arse ride in 5 weeks!! fack!! fack! fack!!


my real question is how can i be getting these weird symptoms and still put down 152Hp at the dyno, with AFR {measured right at end of pipe!} on the
dyno itself being pretty much bang on within the range you want it,!! i dont understand!...

 

had same issue here is your fix. if this still does not make sence pm me and we can swapp cell numbers and i will talk you thru it partner...its way easier than you think.

.701 is your closed voltage. you cannot get your open voltage unless on a dyno in gear running >10K RPM. your fully open voltage is supposed to be 4.192 however. i have verified these numbers both on a dyno (this weekend) and by calling Dynojet becuase i accidentally reset the open postion to 1.5v by mistake.

-J

 

ok last thing...lol...the only reason for the letting it warm up is because after first start your acctually at 3% throttle untill it reaches temp. wait untill your in the 180C range or the idel drops to normal 1300rpm then reset. should equal .701v or something very close.

AND DONT HIT THE RESET BUTTON, THATS WHAT I THINK YALL ARE DOING WRONG. HIT THE **** <**** BUTTON OR YOU WILL ZERO BOTH THE OPEN AND CLOSED POSITION.

 

I agree with his statement. When you were in diag mode the reason it wouldnt fully open is due to temps. the calibration has to be done while it is at operating temps. I had to do the calibration on my R6. Once its done you should be golden.

 

okay so i shouldnt freak out yet!? i guess that sounds about right, but i was at operating
temperature when we were at the dyno and still the numbers were wacky...

when it was off, sure i could see the 0.7 v you speak of and i did try setting it manually, 0.701 open > 4.192 V closing... i hit okay, and throttle goes to 100%, when i bring up the calibrate window again to see whats going on it automatically shows this!

now of course the only way i can get it to recognize closed position to be ZERO as shown above {i had already done so when i snapped a pic} is to have that 17.053 at the closed position, and some equal or higher number on the wot position..!

but of course now the pcV is not doing its job..

now the thing is the bike did stall on my before i went for a ride yesterday, and on the way to the shop... i doubt it had anything to do with the PCV or AUTOTUNE, as obviously nothing was being affected as per readings... so I still lean towards the thought that there is something wrong with my TPS... but i will agree with you in regards to the temps, as i think the bike was cooled down when i read the diag. mode..

will try again on that one... at least after i put the original map back on the bike ran w/out stalling.. it does feel somewhat weaker though..

 

hummm...your sure you have the tap on the right wire at TPS? you may need to call dynojet.

 

yeh those numbers are crazy off, isnt it supposed to be 0-5v ?

i'm riding to work today and will drop by my buddy's place to check things out,

worse come to worse there is a local shop who knows their product but yeah i
think you're right.. i will contact dynojet tomorrow to sort things out pending
on what i get after taking a look at things...

 

belay my last...

 

ok here is a screen shot of my bazzaz screen.

My throttle postion and rpms on the screen match perfect with what my cluster is reading.

 

alright, so I just got back from messing around with the bike... took all required panels
off, lifted tank, verified all connections.

YES! everything is as it should be! all connections from the PCV are HOOKED UP!

yes! the GRAY wire IS attached to the WHITE wire @ the TPS!

my old man was telling me he thinks the 17 shown on the screen is a value the dyno guy put into the box... i dont know if he was trying to type in 1.7 or what but i guess now the pcV keeps coming back to that value for some reason... one thing is clear.

AUTOTUNE DOES WORK! i get TRIM values on the table, but they are only for one row, which is @ 0% throttle as PCV obviously does not know how to get further up the chain from there... make sense!?

i decided to not mess with the program at all until I have a chance to contact DJ on the phone tomorrow, that way i can bring the bike down in front of my place and go over things with them on the spot...

i'm sure its just a reset away from working as it should... i guess i did what most of us do.. hit the damn RESET button and it lost what closed/open throttle is... now i gotta program that in again.! arghh!

i will go with the assumption that the TPS is working as designed for now... i have not had any problems with the bike, no stalls or stutters at all until i tried to use a map from the autotune, AND yes you're probably right, i was nowhere near operating temperature when i went into DIAG. mode... so i did not get the right values off that..

wish me luck! we'll see what happens..

 

your screen shot is too small for me to read what are your min/max numbers up there?

 

Your bike doesn't have to be running to get your voltage numbers for the TPS. hook your bike back up and turn the bike on but not running. then read the voltage with your throttle untouched, that's your closed number click the button on the left side of the voltage reading (closed complete)

Now turn the throttle all the way your voltage will go up keep it turned and hit the button on the right side of the voltage meter now your full open is set

it should be a difference of about .24-.26 volts.

 

Your bike doesn't have to be running to get your voltage numbers for the TPS. hook your bike back up and turn the bike on but not running. then read the voltage with your throttle untouched, that's your closed number click the button on the left side of the voltage reading (closed complete)

Now turn the throttle all the way your voltage will go up keep it turned and hit the button on the right side of the voltage meter now your full open is set

it should be a difference of about .24-.26 volts.

this is incorrect. the voltage will not change with the bike off. the grip position is not linked to the TPS. you can only set your closed voltage, you have to manaually input the open which again...is 4.192v

the closed voltage when bike is off will equal 0v, this is inncorrect also, your closed should be .701v (the bike must be running)

 

no worries, image is resized, you should be able to expand it to full view.. believe me,
its big enough.

I think i figured it out... gonna check it in the morning..

every thread I have encountered online from several fly-by-wire motorcycle owners
is common on one fact... to calibrate pcV closed throttle, bike MUST be running,..!!

which is what i've been thinking all along! until it is ACTUALLY idling, there is no actual notion of what the TPS CLOSED THROTTLE value actually is..


all have recommended the exact same action.. take the bike out for a quick 20 minute ride, {to get her up to temperature, i presume... }, come back, hook bike
up to laptop w/ pcV control center open, {now here some say shut off & start again, some say just leave it on}.. basically you should now have a reading on what CLOSED throttle POS. is. after resetting both values, copy current voltage value to left, closed throttle... because it fluctuates you find the one thats at least closer to the 0.7 v everybody talks about, n' set it.. you can then bump it up in order to read 0% on Trottle pos. indicator.

I will try this in the morning... i dont know how bazazz does things, but i guess you could be right as well.. each software has different procedures that should be followed.


wot is best to be calibrated under load on a dyno @ above 9500 rpm, at which time the flies are fully open.. which makes sense.. so bliping the throttle like the dyno guy
was doing in my case, with the bike sitting there, not in gear, not under load on dyno.. does not work at all.. that is how you calibrated traditional systems... my 05 r6 was calibrated in this manner.

 

correct.! there is no voltage at all! when bike is off... which should be pretty obvious..

alas,. i'm still up shit creek w/out a paddle.! i have tried everything again! and again!

i rode the bike home.. it was well above 190deg. i start it up, voltage reads 0.7v sure enough... if i am in gear i can rev it up and the voltage goes up right along and a new red line starts to appear, marking range of throttle, if i were on a dyno i could chase it all the way up to full 4.19 i'm sure... i only got up to 1.~
before i give up.. anyway...

i set the max voltage as 4.19v and press okay.. meter still shows 100% throttle open! at idle!! FACK! pull up calibrate window, and that damn 17.053 is back!!!

max is set to 0.7 which makes no fvcking sense!! i have had it!

now what really bothers me is that i pull up the dIAG mode up the dash... with the bike freaking over 200deg. as its been sitting there running the whole time... well i still
get 58 at WOT!! FACK AGAIN!! THIS DOES NOT MAKE SENSE!

**update... after letting off some steam, a little magic herb..

and well, i have been told in layman's terms to put the computer away and let the pros. handle it!! lmao!!

Nels Byersdorf is on the job, for those who dont know, he is mr. ECUnleashed around these parts!
as far as what he's telling me.. he believes all is working fine... i guess we just gotta figure out the gremlins.

I am having my ECU re-flashed this week and wanted to make sure everything is up n' up before i dive in..
so i'm gonna call Nels prior to tackling this with anybody else, and hopefully we can sort things out.. :thumbup

 

OK I called bazzaz and asked then what is the correct voltage for full open throttle and the answer was 3.84 And was also told how to set it with out a dyno.

1. Take off the air box completely
2. Disconnect the TB servo motor

3. Reconnect the gas line to the top half of the air box (let it hang)
4. Connect Bazzaz / Power Commander to computer
5. Manually open the butterflies all the way with your hand
6. Take a reading (mine was 3.84 just like they said
7. Pit all back together

 

stuffed up my TPS calibration as well. is this required dissassembly required. cant you just put the bike in Diag mode then crank up the Bazzaz unit and and read the open and close voltages of the throttle. in diag mode you can hear the servo motor open up the butterflies when you move the throttle . well i did it this way and ran R1 enhanced map and took it for a spin did AFM tune on it bike runs fine . good idea to dyno tune it though wheni can afford it :fork

 

AHHH!! WELL AINT THAT SPECIAL!! HAHAH!!

i will be calling DJ tomorrow see if they can help me figure out
why my setup is not accepting the values at all... it will probably
turn out to be software bug and they'll just have to reset everything
with my help and get me hooked up with the latest version..

i think the problem may originate with the windows software at this point
but who knows really!!

THANKS FOR THE response though!!! great idea!!

 

lol yeah I finally found something I don't like about the bazzaz or maybe the 09-11 R1 what a PITA but it's all done now.

 

I love yamaha!

ALRIGHT!

so first of all, since i dont have long distance access from the shop up in N. Van, i would like to give a shout out to MR. MIKE VELASCO of BROTHERS POWERSPORTS! {bremerton, WA state}.

I got a chance to speak to Mike, though he's crazy busy he managed to ease my pain.!

here is what has happened.. he suggested the TPS DIAG. memory was getting locked up with the PCV! and not letting me see the actual WOT value! expected to be between 95 & 111!!! i was getting 58!! :saw:

so he's helped me out, and recommended i remove the PCV from the equation at this point.! just so we know the TPS is good, w/out the need of an OHM meter! gues what!! IT WORKED!!! WOOHOO! i unplugged the pcv from the two connectors {4 from PCV}, and the gray wire.. my old man checked continuity on the white wire to be sure, and yes its perfectly fine! as i was seeing some Volts pop up in DJ software...

i now get 99 on WOT!! which is exactly what i figured.!! bike hauls arse on the highway, no stalling, full proper idle!!! now the next step!! problem is with the PCV! or the software, or firmware! somewhere in there!

now i memtioned BAZAZZ suggestion on how to set WOT, Mike does it on the dyno.. under load! i dont really wanna fly down the freeway with my laptop plugged in!!! lmao!... he says yes ofcourse that will work as well!! just make sure you're ON, throw grip WOT! and manually open the throttle bodies! set WOT!..

that's where i'm at right now... back tomorrow, to continue with this, errr... head-ache..!!

WORD TO THE WISE!! DO NOT PRESS RESET BUTTON ON THROTTLE CALIBRATION WINDOW!!!! DO NOT!! ITS A PAIN IN THE ARSE FROM THERE TO HERE!!! , I'M OUT!

 

UPDATE*

I have spoken to Dusty here on the forum, and confirmed I do in fact have the latest software & firmware in place. The unit shows no error codes and works perfectly, aside from the little fact that it cannot save THROTTLE POSITION settings! ouch.

DYNOJET RESEARCH INC. has stepped up, RMA return for malfunctioning PCV..


Thank you guys for helping me trying to figure this out, at least i know my baby is fine.! pphhhew!!!

 

Sh*t, I have exactly the same problem after I switched exhausts to TRC-D and clicked on that damn throttle calibration reset button - 17 up to 58 and nothing more! I thought that the TPS is not working as well after my last low side :/ . Thx for your hints how to repair that thing.

 

So after reading through this thread I decided to check my TPS in diagnostic mode on the bike, which is running a PCV. It's running perfectly fine, but I figured I'd take a look. Sure enough it read 16 closed, 53 open. I'm like greaaat. I've never touched the software aside from loading a map (never reset anything). So I hooked up the laptop and opened the software to check things on that, and it was reading .699 closed, 4.192 open. So I guess my question is why am I only getting 53 open on the bike, but everything looks normal in the software. I'm a little confused.

 

Bump. Anyone?

 

according to Mike Velasco, my yamaha tech, this is normal...
you're never gonna see full wide open throttle on there unless you're at 10k plus rpm... i installed my new pcV, and had Nels set my TPS on the dyno... it was easier for me as i was there getting it tuned anyway..

my tps is now .701 closed, 4.05 or so WOT...

i wouldnt worry about it... you have the correct settings on the pcV,... thats what matters...

 

i'd call PC