R6 is plenty of bike. R1 is the big dog though. Weight is a difference but not substantially. Thye demand to be ridden differently. The 6 needs to be wound out to really feel it. The 1 you can sit in 3rd gear and just cruise. Some like having to do all the shifting on the 6 to stay in the power band. Both deserve respect. More so with the 1 as it has 60% + more horsepower. If your new to the game the 6. Plus the new 6 is getting a good update for next year. Next month pictures should start showing up, especially after the Munich Moto show. good luck

 

I own an R6 and I've driven a few R1's. Its a toss up, I really like both. I have the R6 because insurance would be rediculous for me on an R1. But in terms of fun I enjoy the R6 more, I enjoy being able to toss the bike around. Its so easy to turn and the handling is much better than its big brother, which takes a bit more effort to turn in corners. That being said the power is amazing and the litre bike torque is crazy. I enjoy shifting all the time, it keeps things interesting. On the R1 you shift into 2nd gear and thats it.

Also with the coin you save you could put alot of mods onto the R6. But hey it all depends on what you want, something thats easy to throw around and shift alot or huge power and torque.

 

I've owned two R1's and had the chance to ride an '04 R6. I can honestly say that if you are not in this for the raw power, the R6 is the way to go. If I weren't so bent up on doing wheelies and stupid shit like that, I would have an R6. The handling is superior to an R1 and IMO the R6 has a little more comfortable stance, but not near the power.

 

thanks

thanks guys, i am swaying towards the 6 because of the handling you guys talked about. i am more of a guy that enjoys curves. many curves!! i think the r6 would be better since it handles and i dont have to worry about all that power on my right hand in a hairpin turn. but DAMN!!! tht r1 looks nice. lol:rock

 

get a 2004 R1 and paint it all black:rock

 

:butt

 

The R6's power comes on in higher RPM's, at around 9000 it redlines about 3000 rpms higher than the R1 at 16,500. It can corner faster than the R1 and is more flickable(the turn in is faster).

 

I own an R1 street bike and an R6 tracks bike so I'm not biased, but have you looked at the Suzuki 750's there pretty damn bad ass too. Something to think about.... just my .02 cents

 

I've owned two R1's and had the chance to ride an '04 R6. I can honestly say that if you are not in this for the raw power, the R6 is the way to go. If I weren't so bent up on doing wheelies and stupid shit like that, I would have an R6. The handling is superior to an R1 and IMO the R6 has a little more comfortable stance, but not near the power.

I have a 04 r6 and wheelie the crap outta it!

oh damn now my wife gonna see this and be mad cuz I wheeled her bike.

whoops

anyways...........I enjoy the little basterd at times more than the R1 just for the fun factor of turns and constant shifting also.


all bikes have there moments.

 

The most recent comparisons I can make are the '03 R1 to the '04 R6, and the guys are right that the 6 is much more flickable. In fact, it's the most insanely flickable bike I've ever had the honor to flog---but I would pick the R1's handling over the R6's any day of the week because of MIDCORNER STABILITY. The R6's front end just feels WAY too nervous to me, wants to fall in near max lean (perhaps a tire swap would fix this), and the chassis just doesn't feel nearly as confidence-inspiring at extreme lean angles. Perhaps adjustments in riding style could help remedy some of these ills, though, as I think someone alluded to above. Finally, throttle response doesn't seem nearly as smooth on the '04 R6---again, I can't compare directly to an '04 R1, and let me just finish by saying that the R6's rear brake locks up easier than any bike I've ever ridden in all my 17 years of riding. And I'm talking about barely tapping that mofo and it just goes sliding.

All in all, I believe Yamaha is tops---but if I were buying a 600 right now I would most likely choose the Honda 600RR. It's heresy and all, but whatever. But either Yamaha you choose, you're getting a damn fine machine.

 

The most recent comparisons I can make are the '03 R1 to the '04 R6, and the guys are right that the 6 is much more flickable. In fact, it's the most insanely flickable bike I've ever had the honor to flog---but I would pick the R1's handling over the R6's any day of the week because of MIDCORNER STABILITY. The R6's front end just feels WAY too nervous to me, wants to fall in near max lean (perhaps a tire swap would fix this), and the chassis just doesn't feel nearly as confidence-inspiring at extreme lean angles. Perhaps adjustments in riding style could help remedy some of these ills, though, as I think someone alluded to above. Finally, throttle response doesn't seem nearly as smooth on the '04 R6---again, I can't compare directly to an '04 R1, and let me just finish by saying that the R6's rear brake locks up easier than any bike I've ever ridden in all my 17 years of riding. And I'm talking about barely tapping that mofo and it just goes sliding.

All in all, I believe Yamaha is tops---but if I were buying a 600 right now I would most likely choose the Honda 600RR. It's heresy and all, but whatever. But either Yamaha you choose, you're getting a damn fine machine.

yep

tire swap to a 70 series


thats next for the wifes.


got to try one out and world of difference.


so much smoother

and low speed handling changed a bunch too......didnt feel like it wanted to drop tail right away

 

R6 is plenty of bike. R1 is the big dog though. Weight is a difference but not substantially. Thye demand to be ridden differently. The 6 needs to be wound out to really feel it. The 1 you can sit in 3rd gear and just cruise. Some like having to do all the shifting on the 6 to stay in the power band. Both deserve respect. More so with the 1 as it has 60% + more horsepower. If your new to the game the 6. Plus the new 6 is getting a good update for next year. Next month pictures should start showing up, especially after the Munich Moto show. good luck

So the R6 only has 60 hp? I think what you meant to say is the R1 has roughly 33% more horesepower (100 compared to 150). I think 600's are great, but for everyday street riding I think a liter bike is way better. On the other hand, if you haven't spent alot of time on a liter bike you won't know what your missing so just get the 6 and enjoy.

 

 

If the 05 R6 goes the route the other 600's have gone in the last year, with USD forks, radial mounted calipers, and radial master cylinder (as I have a feeling they will), the R6 will be at the top of its game, and make it difficult to pass up for a streetbike or track tool :thumbup

Performance wise the 600's are really pushing the envelope, just look at what the AMA formula extreme bikes are doing, they are literally Mini-Superbikes, pushing 135-145 BHP, that is incredable, out of a 600cc IL4 :bow

 

So the R6 only has 60 hp? I think what you meant to say is the R1 has roughly 33% more horesepower (100 compared to 150). I think 600's are great, but for everyday street riding I think a liter bike is way better. On the other hand, if you haven't spent alot of time on a liter bike you won't know what your missing so just get the 6 and enjoy.

math is not really your strong point, maybe you should stick with something else...

 

thanks

thanks guys, i just an hour or so at a yamaha dealer sitting on both the 04 r1 and 04 r6. the seating is ok. r1 puts a little more strain on my wrists though but leg room is excellent. im 6'5 with a size 16 shoe so ive got to have something that fits me

honestly i havent had much luck in finding a bike that im comfortable with. my riding background is dual sports never rode a street bike much. the only bikes that seem to fit are liter bikes. people have told me to learn on it but oh well that a whole nother story.

i like the r6 and hopefully 05 will bring a 70 series tire, im not a big horsepower guy and like one of you said if ive never been on a liter bike i dont know what im missing.

 

math is not really your strong point, maybe you should stick with something else...

Well then Genius, show me where my math skills are off? Or are you one of the dipshits that believes your R1 has 180 hp? If your gonna run your mouth, how's about backing it up with some math of your own? heres a hint, to figure out the percentage you need to divide the horsepower of the R6 (roughly 100) by the horsepower of the R1 (roughly 150). guess what, it comes out to 33 percent less... imagine that. Thinking is obviously not your strong suite so maybe you should just keep your thoughts to yourself eh?

wwn3d

 

33 percent more of 100 is 133.

50 percent more of 100 is 150.

So the R1 has 50 percent more power then the R6, not 33. Also, the R6 has 67 percent of the power of an R1...

 

33 percent more of 100 is 133.

50 percent more of 100 is 150.

So the R1 has 50 percent more power then the R6, not 33. Also, the R6 has 67 percent of the power of an R1...

Yes, What I meant to say was that the R6 had 2/3 the power of the R1. It does not work when you state it the other way. I think we all understand what I meant, and the way I said it wasn't going to be the determining factor in this guy's decision.

 

LOL you math majors need to get a gun and shoot yourselves...

For example your head ----> and :boom <---- Gun... :thumbup

 

Actually by Yamaha's numbers

04 R 1 180 HP @ 10500
04 R 6 123 HP @ 13000 WOW

So 180 -123 = 57 , then 57 / 123 = 0.463414634 . So gents the 04 R 1
has 46.3414634 percent more HP over the R 6. My FJ 1200 back in 96 made 135 HP and was about 230 pounds heavier. I really miss that bike.

 

I wouldn't knock the 600 class, but I like the fact that the 1Kcc machines have all the top-line hardware. It's an aesthetic quality only, but...there's an almost commanding appearance about those ultra-wide, 190-series rear tires, not to mention, inverted forks, radial calipers+large rotors, braced swingarms & frames. The 1kcc bikes possess a certain presence by way of their design that just seems unrivaled, IMO.:fact

Of course, I'll always turn my head for a beautimus 600. There's a fellow at UW Bothell campus who owns a sweet looking, all black '03 600RR - I have to stop & gaze at it everytime I walk through the parking lot. Bike just looks bada$$.:bow

Tough decision - wish I could be in your shoes.

 

just get a nice 05 GSXR1000 I am.

 

The differences between the 6 and the one are far fewer with the 04 then with previous years. The 1 has adopted a lot of the "screamer" tendancies that the 6's have. The R1 makes all its real power in the last 4k of the rev range and comes on quite explosively at 9-10k. The handling on the 04 R1 feel a little heavier than the R6, but I find that the R1 manages itself very well in a fast turn. The big difference is that things happen unbeleivably quickly between 9 and 13k revs on the 04 one. Really gotta watch the hard 3-4 gear excelleration uphills, the least irregularity in the road sends the front skyward with little warning. The other oddity over the past years, the 04 R1 exgine brakes more dramatically then any 4cyl that I have ridden. Gotta learn the downshift/throttle blip amount accurately before you are really comfortable picking a gear to work the corner.

For a rider that has not had a lot of time on the supersports, start on a 600 or the gixx 750... you'll have great fun and enter under a good learning curve. The 1000's spool up too much pavement to easily for somebody not expecting it......

 

My R6 is the first big road bike I have ever ridden! When I say big, I used to have a Yamaha TZR125. I have ridden with lots of R1's recently, all years, and am yet to see this extra power that everyone talks about the R1's having! I can easily keep up with the 1's and my bike handles a lot better in the twisties than theirs and is therefore quicker!

The handling is confidence inspiring! It sometimes can feel a bit loose at the front end, but you have to look at the pros and cons! It is very forgiving! If you don't have a lot of experience (like me) then the R6 is probably the perfect bike to start with! A simple mistake like getting on the throttle too soon while changing gear (ie dropping the clutch) would have dire consequences on the R1, but is par for the course on the R6 (especially mine .

I have met a lot of riders recently also who talk about going back down to an R6 after having had a litre bike for a long period of time simply because they are more fun!

Anyway, it's just my opinion! Good Luck with whatever you decide!