He's only human......Rossi isn't

 

What about Asimo... is he :lol

 

Reports say he's having trouble adjusting.

 

reports? as in the 1st two race results? those reports? j/k man, but i think anyone can tell that he's having trouble adjusting when you watch a world champion come in around the middle of the pack. This is what makes champions though. Rossi went from the best bike to the yami a few years ago and pulled it off. now they are all on new bikes and look who's proving he can overcome? i'm not loyal to anyone, but i love to watch how rossi can overcome almost anything. overcoming the odds is what makes a champion in my opinion

 

For one of the few times in his career, Rossi didn't pull it off last year. Nicky was lucky enough to be consistent and keep his head straight and take advantage.

To actually have your name on the list that won a championship when Rossi was healthy is something.

Unfortunately, I've kinda counted Nicky out this year. It's two races into the season, and short of any catastrophe, Rossi will win the title this year. Maybe next year?

The only glimmer of hope I'm holding on to is that Nicky can beat that little dick-hole Pedrosa. I don't hate Pedrosa, although I don't like watching the lump do anything... I do hate his mentor Puig. That guy is a huge, Ted Kennedy-level piece of shit.

 

Oh this is going to be unpopular, but I think you need to be objective versus being biased because he's one of us Americans.

If you look at last year, what was his strength?? Was it consistently winning, was it showing dominance that got him the number 1 plate?? Nope, unfortunately not. For all that magic he has at Laguna due to his confidence there, he never beat Rossi head to head. Rossi DNF'd himself out of the winning. Had the Yamaha not been a total POS in the beginning of the year (remember all the vibrating and ridability problems), it would have been another landslide. The other guys that finished better or were usually faster, just had consistancy problems with finishing or crashing out.

The plain and simple fact is, Nicky won because he always finished and got points while the faster riders where DNF'ing or having bike problems.

He is good, but he is not one of the greats, and that is what you need to do it on your own terms, not lucking into it.

Flame away, but the results speak for themselves if you can be objective. 3rd or 4th place consistently should not make anyone a champion IMHO.

 

Well he won it and any race series is based on total points. Less then that I agree. If Rossi shits the bed he loses and someone else wins, they win, end of story. Its a hard argument to have.

I knew he was f'd putting on the #1 plate. Dude jinxed his shit... :no

 

he should never have put that # 1 plate on:sing:

 

Absolutely RIGHT!!!......:riding

 

he is just being consistant like last year....dont think it will pay off though.

 

honda is betting on pedrosa , nicky is just a 2nd rider now:fact

 

:stpd: That bike is built for Pedrosa. Nicky doesn't like it and Honda doesn't care. To be fast at this level riders want everything a certain way. The Yamaha Rossi won with coming from HRC was a completely different machine than what they had the year before, it was built and designed specifically
for him. I read that Hopper stayed with Suzuki, even though he had offers from better teams, because he was guaranteed #1 status.

 

Honestly, if you look at nicky's finishes over the last couple of years, he's doing what he has done since he started motogp, with the exception of an unusual win or top five finish. Just my opinion.

 

Quoted For Truth.

He's just a bit out of his element, and what's worse, is that their are younger riders that are more talented than him that are already in the series.

Blame Honda all they want for backing Dani, but if you ever saw him and Stoner dicing in 250's you'd understand that those guys are the future of MotoGP when Rossi goes off to race cars.

Honestly, I would really like to see Nicky come back to the AMA and make the series stronger and more competetive. I don't think he's on the same level as the great American champions of past that I grew up worshiping.

He reminds me more of Doug Chandler when he was winning AMA championships without really winning races or being a dominant guy.

He worked hard and won a World Championship fair and square. I really don't want to seem him fade into mediocrity like Kenny Jr, and really would rather see him winning a lot and dicing with guys that he can actually show them a wheel to.

 

well gents as i predicted on another thread, nicky is not going to do a whole lot this year, the ones to watch will be DP and Rossi. as some of you guys stated nicky won simply because other riders had trouble or crashed. and in my opinion that is not winning.

 

+1 :nopity:

 

he needs to do more riding/training & less comercials, the latest comercial of his is god awful

IMO he's a one season wonder about like KR Jr. :sing:

 

he needs to do more riding/training & less comercials, the latest comercial of his is god awful

IMO he's a one season wonder about like KR Jr. :sing:

I was thinking the same thing about the commercials he does. They all seem like low budget commercials.

Nicky has really improved from the first few year in Motogp. However, I too feel that he won because he was consistently finishing races. Thats what you have to do. You can't even compare him to Rossi but you can to some of the other riders. He can be aggresive but seems like he is still not confident in that aspect of racing. He won last year, maybe he doesn't care as much this year.

 

he'll be AIGHT! the season has just begun.........

 

Nicky is a good rider who gets good finishes. No more no less. There have been world champions who never won a race in numerous classes. Nicky won his title in a fair fight. He did win 2 races and 10 of his finishes were on the podium. Rossi also had 10 podiums but 5 were wins. But as they say to finish first, first you have to finish. Rossi did not finish enough races to win the title.....

Nicky still took the title from Rossi no matter how you look at it. But I admit Rossi lost it more than Nicky won the title. He is not Champion material I am affraid. Honda have no choice but to look to Dani for titles. He is fresh and they can mould his career in a way Nicky cannot do. He should have been winning more as 3 wins in 4 years is not a good way to build his reputation. He should have been winning as soon as Rossi left Honda. They expected him to beat Rossi as they had the better bike! He has had practically 3 seasons as number 1 honda rider.Other team members used to complain that Nicky got better parts and he has not repaid that treatment with wins. Dani is getting the same treatment now, as Dani won 2 races last year in his first season in Moto GP and has show more potential with 8 podium positions in his first season including the 2 wins...Nicky only had 2 third place podiums finishes in his first season!

I do like Nicky as a person who is honest and will ride his guts out. I do think he could go to WSB and win titles easily on the right bike. But Moto GP is now out of reach if he stays with Honda. I do not think even a ride with another team will give him a GP championship.

Just my honest opinion and if you feel differently fine.. I just think the next string of champions will not be as dominant as Rossi for a few years as they are quick young riders who have to build on some of their psycological strenghts but Dani and Casey going to be two riders who have potential to win as well as possibly Lorenzo next year......... Much of racing is psycological and Rossi has that battle won. Just look at Gibernau. He was going to be the one who beat Rossi in a good old fashion race..But as soon as Rossi got pysical and showed Sete how much he wanted to win it messed with his head and although Sete tried to get Rossi back the next race he was beaten down by Rossi again. Sete did nothing for the rest of the season and ultimately retired from racing. Most riders are fragile emotionally and get beaten before the race even starts. Nicky has lost this year already. He knows he is beaten and has ridden as hard as he can. His results will have effected his confidence and Honda are not the type of team who pat you on the head and offer a shoulder to cry onto telling you it will all be OK and you were unlucky! Rossi on the other hand is as hard as nails. He has nothing left for others to manipulate or pull his chain to effect him. It has all now been tried.

 

what more power said......

The new bikes like corner speed wich Nicky has never had. He is a brake it in hard,square it off, fire it out guy. The new bikes cant be ridden like that.

 

what more power said......

The new bikes like corner speed wich Nicky has never had. He is a brake it in hard,square it off, fire it out guy. The new bikes cant be ridden like that.

That is a very interesting point...

 

I think he will do better as the season goes on.... probably wont be champ again bet i bet he will improve.

 

I think he will do better as the season goes on.... probably wont be champ again bet i bet he will improve.

Not too sure what you mean by improve....He is close to the front of the second group and not a million miles off the top five... He just has not got the bike he needs under him to help him get better results than top 3-5... He may get a good race or two but his strength is consistant finishes and will probably finish 3rd or 4th in the championship at the end of the year. But again there is the Rossi effect where you don't just beat the other riders but you have to beat Rossi. On a track where all is equal Rossi has an advantage over almost every other rider. He just beats others into submission. Hayden has not got that as a weapon against other riders. He never goe's out and puts in fast groups of laps to dominate riders behind him. He never sets a pace for others to try and follow then makes a break later in the race to intimidate other riders into thinking he has more grip left so he can leave them at will. Rossi has too many tricks to put other riders off and give himself an advantage.

 

HRC already stated that they built the frame of the bike around Pedrosabot. The shaved ewok is a midget.

Rossi, Pedrosa, and many of the other riders originally came from 125's and 250's. They're used to the smaller bikes. Hayden came from AMA Superbike. Another advantage to the Europeans.

Finally, Hayden has stated that he's having front end issues with the bike. Probably because the bike, again, is built around Pedrosa's size which puts a heavier, taller rider like Hayden further foward over the wheels.

We're only two races in. Wait until after 6 races and see how he's doing. It's a brand new bike and going to take some time to get worked to his specifications. Patience, people. It's a long season

 

HRC already stated that they built the frame of the bike around Pedrosabot. The shaved ewok is a midget.

Rossi, Pedrosa, and many of the other riders originally came from 125's and 250's. They're used to the smaller bikes. Hayden came from AMA Superbike. Another advantage to the Europeans.

Finally, Hayden has stated that he's having front end issues with the bike. Probably because the bike, again, is built around Pedrosa's size which puts a heavier, taller rider like Hayden further foward over the wheels.

We're only two races in. Wait until after 6 races and see how he's doing. It's a brand new bike and going to take some time to get worked to his specifications. Patience, people. It's a long season

So which is it.............last year everyone was complaining that the reason Hayden lost the point advantage he had over Rossi was because he had a custom bike built for him and was developing it.......now this year he is at the disadvantage because Pedrosa has the custom bike and developing that one?
Didn't two Honda satelite teams (Checa and Melandri) finish ahead of Hayden in the last race that are on inferior equipment compared to Hayde but the same Frame? If he complained about developing the Honda last year why would Honda give him the development bike this year?

The last time someone won the world championship with 2 victories was back in the 1950's, but there were only 7 races total which shows what an anomaly last year was. Every now and then these things happen, just don't expect it for another 50 years.

 

rossi demoralises (sp) his fellow riders just as mick doohan did. rossi learned from the MASTER.:riding

 

demoralizes :thumbup

Good assumption on Doohan/Rossi.

 

all this talk of how nicky is struggling cos he was a superbike rider....colin edwards isn't doing to bad is he?! he was a far superior superbike rider than hayden:fact

 

Before he was a superbike rider, he cut his teet riding 250's, and has frequently said that he was a 250 rider at heart.

The 800's are really going to play into the hands of the guys that have a lot of experience on 250's and have a style that focuses on carrying a lot of entry speed, and early throttle application coming out of corners.

The results so far speak for themself.

 

Nothing's up with him, Nicky has never been a top rider, he won his AMA champ when Mladin had a bad bike and was sick (even private riders were beating him) and he won his Moto GP champ when all the fast dudes were at the hospital. Luckiest man on earth, but it can't always be like that.

 

:lol
this is so true

 

reality is setting in and he realizes even the satellitle team riders are even fast if not faster. Like Rossi mentioned that #1 plate weighs down the bike alot!

 

Nicky just needs to step his game up. I don't think the new Honda 800 is his biggest problem. Sure, it may be made for Pedrosa...but I'd bet anything that if Rossi switched back to Honda he'd easily murder the rest of the field and have the Championship won with 3 races left to go in the season. So it's not the bike...Hayden just has to continue to work hard and step his game up. He needs confidence and he needs to believe that HE IS #1...then better results will follow.

Nicky is a phenomenal racer...but at the MotoGP level all the other riders are just as phenomenal. I'm not sure how many years are left on Hayden's contract with Honda but if he does have a bad season, I don't foresee him riding for Honda in MotoGP much longer.

Still early in the season though...if Nicky wins the next 2 races everyone will be jumping back on his dyck again about how they're #1 Nicky fans and loved watching him in AMA.

 

Yes Nicky is exceptional but he never went thorugh the steps as the others have in order to get to GP. Hopkins is a much faster rider then Nicky plus Hopkins went through the 500cc initiation so he better understands the whole GP style regardless of what bike he is thrown onto he just needs to stay on the damn thing. Nicky has alot of catch-up mainly against his own teammate and that is no ride at Disneyland to keep pace.

 

I understand what you guys are feeling about Hayden......However. Mladin was kicking everyones butt until Nicky was able to pry the AMA championship from him. Hayden moved on to Motogp. As I am sure you know, Motogp is the premier competition with the best machines, riders, and tracks in the world. For Nicky to compete and win a championship in this series was an INCREDIBLE achievement proving AMA can be another training ground for Motogp.
Even more so, was to do it and pry the championship away from Rossi. He's won the championship in both classes. What does this AMERICAN have to do to get our respect. I'd like anyone on this forum to compete in AMA or god for bid Motogp and even get close to 1/4 of what he has done. Dude has incredible talent, I dont care what anyone says, and has two championship trophies to show for it.

 

I understand what you guys are feeling about Hayden......However. Mladin was kicking everyones butt until Nicky was able to pry the AMA championship from him. Hayden moved on to Motogp. As I am sure you know, Motogp is the premier competition with the best machines, riders, and tracks in the world. For Nicky to compete and win a championship in this series was an INCREDIBLE achievement proving AMA can be another training ground for Motogp.
Even more so, was to do it and pry the championship away from Rossi. He's won the championship in both classes. What does this AMERICAN have to do to get our respect. I'd like anyone on this forum to compete in AMA or god for bid Motogp and even get close to 1/4 of what he has done. Dude has incredible talent, I dont care what anyone says, and has two championship trophies to show for it.

Wrong, even private teams were beating Mladin that year, he was sick and had a very bad bike. Nicky beat the other riders because he was on the millions$$$ Honda RC51 rockets, many riders were faster than him but on slower bikes. He's just a normal rider who got very lucky. I still don't understand why Honda thought he would be competitive in Moto GP. They should have wait to see if he could have won another AMA title,...i don't think so... I'm happy for him, he seem like a very nice dude, but he never won a real championship imo.

 

I believe Mladin finished 7th (SEVENTH) in the champs points race that year.

 

(but he never won a real championship imo.)

LOL, so what was Motogp last year? Was that the playdough kids championship? Look, again there were many factors that could have resulted in Nicky not winning i.e. The M1 performing better early, Capirex not having a bad crash etc. Personally, I am a yamaha/Rossi fan. However,I had the pleasure of going to the AMA race at Road atlanta the last two years. It gave me a whole new perspective of "I want to go fast" LOL
After seeing that, I gained a completetly new respect for what real racing actually is. Now imagine standing there at a Motogp race. I understand he has confidence at Laguna Seca. But dont forget it's Motogp. If I could demolish the Motogp competition at any track consistently, I would beat my chest all over the place. Know what I mean?
I just feel its a real discredit to talk about him the way we are doing considering really what it is he's up against. He won by being consistently on the podium last year not 4th or 5th place finishes. He was on the podium for 10 races last year. Thats pretty impressive to me. I just wonder if anyone here did that, and someone said they were not really a champion, you'd probably ask them if they were crazy. You'd then take them to the local track and lap'em like 50 times. LOL

 

10 podiums against who..

Half the field was hurt or DNF last year