On my knee slider that is touching the ground ! ! ! J/K, you should weight the inside peg, which is the side you should be hanging off the bike. Hook your other knee on the tank.

 

Thanks, nee.dragger

You also weight the inside peg when you are countersteering ?Have you read Keith Code - TOW II ? Have you ever tried to weight the outside peg while countersteering ?

 

I have tried to weigh the outside peg but can barely touch it with any force. When I hang off the bike and my knee touches, I don't worry about the outside peg.

 

I weight the right peg when taking left turns......the bike turns at the same rate,but is kept more upright on the tires,which gives you more lean angle for corrections.....

But maybe I dont know how to ride yet and I"m just mistaking........

:lol

 

When I tried ot weight the outside peg in order to offer a better pivot point for the countersteering input, I felt very unconfortable - it's strange to assume the hang off stance while weighting the the opposite peg.

Did I misunderstood Keith Code ? Anyone has succeed it ?

 

I used to weight inside peg...

Then I started to weight outside peg. I noticed I can "hang" much better meaning I have better "contact" with the bike instead of when weighting inside peg..

on another note....if you weight inside peg and it happens that you drag it on the turn, wouldn't it be more likely to lift your rear up in the air since you are putting pressure down on it?

 

During the corner, I have my outside knee against the tank, my outside feet and ankle against the frame, my outside arm resting in the uuper tank and some weight in the inside peg and the grip in the bars as relaxed as possible. Putting all the weight in the inside peg can make me lost the outside peg if I hit a bump.

But I could not make my mind about where I should weight during the countersteering input. I believe you all mentioned where you weight around the corner when the bike is already leaned.

Any view on this ?

 

I used to weight inside peg...

on another note....if you weight inside peg and it happens that you drag it on the turn, wouldn't it be more likely to lift your rear up in the air since you are putting pressure down on it?

If you drag the peg, then it should fold up on you. Remember, you cannot move the earth, thus the weakest contact point, THE PEG, will give way to the earth. You should also be dragging your knee if hanging off and dragging the peg. Check out the picture, knee is dragging and I'm about to touchdown the peg.

 

I've realized that if I can feel weight on the inside peg, it means I'm either not going fast enough or I don't have the right body position.

When I know I have the right body position is when I can feel all my weight being supported by my outside thigh that is pressing on the tank and my outside arm would be resting over the tank.

I think that DURING the countersteering input, you need to push using the inside peg.

 

Damn, I use both....

I push..pull....lean...toss...jump....squat..... You name I do it..

TOW2 is what you need 2 read though ofr thouse looking for correct/better technique....



Good Luck..

Keep in mind even though there are certain basics to obey, everybody rides a lil bit odd/different....

 

tron: im with u on that one :rock

 

outside peg

 

I've realized that if I can feel weight on the inside peg, it means I'm either not going fast enough or I don't have the right body position.

When I know I have the right body position is when I can feel all my weight being supported by my outside thigh that is pressing on the tank and my outside arm would be resting over the tank.

I think that DURING the countersteering input, you need to push using the inside peg.

You said it right there. You should be carrying enough cornering speed, so that the G-forces push you into the seat and you can put your weight on the outside peg. You should be able to lift your inside foot off the peg.

 

:hellobye Thank you for the inputs, guys.

I guess there no absolute answer - Tron you are 100% right about the basics and personal style.

Crash 2, thanks for your comments. I feel very confortable when I am hanged by my outside thigh I also feel that great sensation that everything is as it should be. Enough for experimentation.

Didn't make my mind about weighting during contersteering, though. I could not practice enough today - one of the guys crashed early today - he is OK, no broken bones, just will spend the night in observation in Hospital. However, after that there was no mood for fast rides.

For those who said that weight the outside peg: how can you do that and be hanged off ? I do not see how it is possible. What am I missing ?

 

The late, great Barry Sheene once made the offhand comment during a GP broadcast that you need to weight the outside peg to lessen the chance of the bike high-siding you. I remember it 'cause it's what you do on an MX bike as well.

 

Never paid any attention to it. I don't put mcuh weight at all while leaned over but I would say it would be the outside peg if any.

 

hi begood,

i was in the same situation as you when i bought his book.
tried it : a few corners, felt strange.than i found it after a few min.

it's so natural.than i knew that everything else i was doing before that was crap.
but it's difficult to explain.you'll find it.
if not send me a pm.

cheers

 

If you drag the peg, then it should fold up on you. Remember, you cannot move the earth, thus the weakest contact point, THE PEG, will give way to the earth. You should also be dragging your knee if hanging off and dragging the peg. Check out the picture, knee is dragging and I'm about to touchdown the peg.

My pegs don't fold. I used to put weight on the inside, but after reading about it I'm trying to put it on the outside. It's harder cause it's not the way I'm used to but when I do it right it does feel better.

 

outside peg

Weight should be put on the outside peg.

The whole reason of hanging off the bike is to raise the center of gravity of the bike so you can go faster through the turn. If you weigh the inside peg, you're lowering the center of gravity.

Push down on the outside peg and "wedge" your leg between the peg and the knee cutout in the gas tank. Use that leg to now hold your weight through the turn. This eliminates unnecessary input to the clipons, and raises the C.O.G. of the bike.

Upon exiting the turn use that leg to pull your body back up onto the bike. Have fun.

 

Re: outside peg

Weight should be put on the outside peg.

The whole reason of hanging off the bike is to raise the center of gravity of the bike so you can go faster through the turn. If you weigh the inside peg, you're lowering the center of gravity.

Push down on the outside peg and "wedge" your leg between the peg and the knee cutout in the gas tank. Use that leg to now hold your weight through the turn. This eliminates unnecessary input to the clipons, and raises the C.O.G. of the bike.

Upon exiting the turn use that leg to pull your body back up onto the bike. Have fun.

There is so much wrong information here I am not sure where to begin.

First of all, the reason you hang off of a bike is to move the cg to the inside of the turn so the bike does not have to be leaned over as far. This allows you to corner faster without dragging hard parts and helps keep you on the meat of the tire. The cg height really doesn't matter here. Raising it or lowering it has a negligible affect on lean angle.

Second, you can't raise or lower cg by changing the weight bearing point on the motorcycle. The only way to rasie of lower cg is to raise or lower you body on the bike.

Scott

 

Oh boy here we go again,

There is no wrong information in my post. If you hang off the bike you are lowering YOUR center of gravity. This allows you to carry more cornerspeed, by keeping the bike more upright, or allowing the COG of the bike to be higher. Here you have technically "raised" the COG of the bike.

An upwright motorcycle can go faster than a bike at any lean angle.

I'm not even going to quote Keith Code, because we all know that you think his physics are all messed up.

I'll remain constructive and give my insight. I'm not going to argue and I won't throw it in anyone's face that I'm a racer, or that I have a B.S. in Mechanical Engineering. Oops, I guess I just did. Sorry.

Weight distribution will change the COG. Not just raising or lowering your body position.

 

Oh boy here we go again,

There is no wrong information in my post. If you hang off the bike you are lowering YOUR center of gravity. This allows you to carry more cornerspeed, by keeping the bike more upright, or allowing the COG of the bike to be higher. Here you have technically "raised" the COG of the bike.

An upwright motorcycle can go faster than a bike at any lean angle.

I'm not even going to quote Keith Code, because we all know that you think his physics are all messed up.

I'll remain constructive and give my insight. I'm not going to argue and I won't throw it in anyone's face that I'm a racer, or that I have a B.S. in Mechanical Engineering. Oops, I guess I just did. Sorry.

Weight distribution will change the COG. Not just raising or lowering your body position.

You can't decouple the rider cg from the bike cg. They operate as a system. The rider hangs off the bike to move the cg off the centerline of the bike to the inside of the bike so the bike can remain more upright while turning. The cg height has almost no effect here. The key is how far off the centerline of the bike the rider can move to the inside.

Having the cg lower of higher is not important. Having the cg to one side of the bike centerline is important.

Weight distribution does not affect cg. The actual location of the mass does. Code's thinks or thought the same thing as you do. You both are wrong. Basic physics shows you that.

I am glad you are a mechanical engineer. But that does not make you right.

Scott

 

Bongo, Scorpio, Randaw, BrokenR1 and GXRKLR
Thanks for your inputs. It seems that most of you weight the inside peg while leaned.

Scott,
How do you manage your weight during the countersteering input ? and after that, when the bike in at a constant lean ? Why ? Phisics is OK but your perception on how the bike is dealing with it is also very welcome.

Have any of you read the new book from Nick Ienatsch ("The Pace") - Sport Riding Techniques ? He advises that weighting the inside peg should be used together with countersteering to better/faster lean the bike.

 

....I won't throw it in anyone's face that I'm a racer....

A racer? I know some really slow and stupid people that are racers. What does this prove? And a CCS Amatuer at that. Wow, I had better watch out!

The bottom line is that you either don't understand the physics of leaning and hanging off or you don't know how present the information clearly. So far, I am leaning toward the former.

Scott

 

Scott,
How do you manage your weight during the countersteering input ? and after that, when the bike in at a constant lean ? Why ? Phisics is OK but your perception on how the bike is dealing with it is also very welcome.

Have any of you read the new book from Nick Ienatsch ("The Pace") - Sport Riding Techniques ? He advises that weighting the inside peg should be used together with countersteering to better/faster lean the bike.

Begood,

I don't consiously weight the outside peg when I countersteer, but I probably do. It gives you the best leverage. I do know that I consiously weight the inside ped to get the bike turned in and get the lean angle set. Then I weight the outside slightly to feel for rear tire slides. When I start to roll on the throttle hard coming out of the corner, I weight the outside peg strongly. This helps maintain rear tire traction.

Scott