Funny, usually it's people who haven't owned a Duc or MV who talk about their "unreliability".....not sure if you've had one or not. IMO the MV 750/1000 are some of the greatest I-4 engines ever.

Bought my Duc with 2k miles on it in Sept.....rode it 800 miles home from Seattle, not an issue. Rode it 700 miles roundtrip on a weekend to Santa barbara, as well as a bunch of 100 mile weekend days...not one issue........now I'm at 6k after 4k miles riding the piss out of it, at least 2/3 times a week, not one issue (knock on wood!!) Duc's have come a long way in reliability since the 916.....service intervals on newer bikes just got a little wider, too. Personally, I think it's the bikes that don't get ridden somewhat often that run into lots of issues once you put some miles on.

:thumbup

 

Funny, usually it's people who haven't owned a Duc or MV who talk about their "unreliability"....

Can i agree with a banned member lol I'll admit our whole crew was the guys who talked shit about ducs with not 1 guy owning one and it was always a friend of a friend whos duc blew up. Im on my second duc now and because of the reputation i still am a little worried about them but ive never had any issues either. Ive always owned japs and theyre amazingly reliable bikes but they dont give you that same feeling compared to italians imo:lookatmybuttsmiley: The only fault on my 1199 is the heat but as y'all say "because race bike lol"

 

having owned an aprilia in the past, and having a bunch of friends who ride MV's and Duc's, i can personally vouch for their reliability. they are not a japanese bike, so dont compare it to one, but, if you do the maintenance to them at the prescribed intervals, they tend to be extremely good motorcycles....... i would not hesitate for a moment to buy another aprilia, a duc, or an mv. in fact, im already thinking of selling my r1 i havent taken delivery of, to get a 1098.

 

Maybe you guys should share you success stories with the MV racing team.

Im sure they would love to hear from their customers right now how dependable their machinery is..

Please dont let me stop you.. continue..

 

wwn3d:lol:lol:lol:lol

 

haha :thumbup :riding


yea sounds liek they need it..........Duc's racing team seems to be doing juuuust dandy, though.

 

They are still damn yummy looking :yesnod

 

I feel that any year R1 is a better looking bike, but thats just my opinion.

 

all that $$$$ and you have to knock on wood/cross your fingers?

not good

 

all that $$$$ and you have to knock on wood/cross your fingers?

not good

:lol word.

 

lame.



yea, I mean damn, I spent $1k less than a new r1.

 

Dude, it's only a 750.:dundun:

 

Is the Ferracci team a factory based, or backed team?
Im not a Duc, MV, or Aprilia lover but you cant neccesarily
blame the bike for a failure this early on in its racing life.
The team is new, the bike is new, and so are the situations
the engine and trans are put into. Why do you think they dont use the engine and/ or trans as it comes from the factory (street bike, i mean)
I love Japanese bikes but they are not indestructable either,
All four manufacturers have had mechanical issues in each class of racing worldwide even with full factory support.

I am excited to get more manufacturers involved in racing, both here and abroad. It only makes for better tech/ bikes for us all.

Too bad Duc stepped out of the AMA.

 

So you guys are saying that you wouldn't keep a girlfriend/wife that was absolutely stunning/beautiful if she wasn't a world class chef or couldn't press a shirt better than the drycleaners. Don't get me wrong I love my 06 R1 but ducs aprilias and mv have a place and a purpose no one can deny that.


Ps when my r1 is paid off i will park a duc 1098 next to it already preped the wife. When she saw the pic of it she caved.:boobies

 

So you guys are saying that you wouldn't keep a girlfriend/wife that was absolutely stunning/beautiful if she wasn't a world class chef or couldn't press a shirt better than the drycleaners. Don't get me wrong I love my 06 R1 but ducs aprilias and mv have a place and a purpose no one can deny that.


Ps when my r1 is paid off i will park a duc 1098 next to it already preped the wife. When she saw the pic of it she caved.:boobies

Nice.

When my wife saw the new 1098 she looked over the models and said; "I'm going to buy you the tri-color". That said, I'm just not sure about the pizza box colors...need to see it in person.

:rock

 

I had a Duc. The POS broke down all the time. Now since the new R1 is such a letdown, I will probably buy another.

 

I have an Aprilia rsv Factory only problem was clutch, rear brake need an up date to master cylinders and swing arm recall all handle under warranty. Otherwise no problems with the bike. Very Satisfied

My 03 R1 needed a new clutch basket at 700mi I complained to Dealer I buy all my bikes from, they would not cover it. I had to go to 5 Dealers to find one that would even attempt it, so at 1700mi I got a new Clutch basket and had to wait three months to get my bike back while Yamaha decided to fix it to the tune of $1300.00. Just satisfied

My 03 ZX636R Has had an on going problem with the ignition key where the key just will not come out. After over a year of having to leave key in bike some times because it decided not to come out I finally found a dealer that say it's a warranty problem and they will fix it. not satisfied

I believe all bike's have problems to some extent its just that the buyers that buy $17000.00 bikes have a higher expectation then say a new 600cc buyer.
and servicing these high value bike is more difficult due to less dealer network. and if you can afford a $20000.00 Mv it's probably not your fist and only bike. so I say ride it tell it breaks and have fun.

 

ZX12R's are known for literally blowing the baskets apart in their clutches and Yamaha has a reutation for ad 2nd gears like the older kawi's as well. Many bikes have quirks...

 

ZX12R's are known for literally blowing the baskets apart in their clutches and Yamaha has a reutation for ad 2nd gears like the older kawi's as well. Many bikes have quirks...

Very true, but usually it take some milage before it shows up.

 

This whole thing doesnt mean much. A racebike that has been disassembled and prepped is not at all comparable to what the consumer buys. Its a function of an engine builder who doesnt get it yet, or built to to far over the edge of loose.

A couple good examples are best illustrated by Attack Racing. They have blow up more GSXR1000 engines than all street GSXRs put together. Pridmore lost his chances for a championship based on that, and they blew up ZX10's left and right when they started with Kwaks in 04. And you may not remember, but when they use to run FZR1000s then R1's, they blew a few of those sky high too.

Point being, those are all bikes that are fairly bulletproof, but in the wrong hands they go pop regardless of how good the design is.

 

well said.......and sometimes even the best teams go ka-boom! :boom while pushing the envelope.

 

I am sure Eraldo & his team are slightly dissapointed. I have faith that they will have the bike come March. MV is a beautiful machine and given the Ferracci team and Luca as the rider I feel they will do well in superbike. Don't forget the Ducati Ferracci team not so long ago.

PS. don't hate to much as their dealership carries Yamaha as their only Japanese manufacture....

 

And Daytona is really harsh on engines.

 

As someone who does 10,000 miles a season - I've had no issues with any of my Yamahas

Even my beat to piss ZX636 is reliable :lol

 

the mv is proven in european endurance and sprint series, they were over-revving at daytona as proper gearing was not available.

 

Ducati's.. MV's.. are all lovely to look at. But beyond being treated gently as pieces of art.. I cannot rely of them. That goes for exotics in nature. Even if I was rich I'd lease a Ferrari for the experience but past that I wouldnt be interested in owning one over an extended period of time.

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I'm not quite sure what to say to this but , To each, is own.
Ferrari's, MV's and Ducs arent for everyone. Some dream and want a Ferrari. Others dream and want a Corvette or a Yamaha or Duc. To lash out and say that you would never get an MV because of recent racing blues that the team is having, is ignorant.
I think that if you do enough research youll find that MV had their "time" in the spotlight thanks to Giacomo Agostini... Yamaha did too.

http://freespace.virgin.net/denise.blanchard/career.htm

http://www.motorcyclemuseum.org/halloffame/hofbiopage.asp?id=112

Notice in the second link what bike he's riding (yamaha)....
The first link.. (MV)
Yamaha had their challenges with racing as well..... To say that you wont own a bike\car (any manufacturer) based on a couple of races (testing) or the gap in wins in racing history, then its clear that the only car you would probably be driving now would be a Studebaker... Oh wait, they raced too.. So, nevermind.... You would be riding your bicycle...
Regardless of your choice there are those that can speak from experience of owning these spectacular cars\motorcycles and those that can speculate.. Which one are you??

 

For me to purchase whatever I wish or wish not to purchase with my OWN money is my opinion and being a chat forum my right to post my opinion. For you to call another individual ignorant based on their personal opinion is ignorant in itself..

The same whatever reason that makes you feel the need to go out and sign up under a name to express to the world you either own or wish to own a ferrari and list your 04 MV and various bikes.. is completely opposite of the reason why I own mostly japanese vehicles that are top rated in every category from reliability to overall performance to of course best bang for the buck.

I dont have the need to compensate for anything buy purchasing a ridiculously expensive car and/or expensive bike to experience and enjoy what pure performance feels like.

And I can speak for that performance any day because I enjoy it alot my friend.. whenever you feel to the need to see exactly how much performance your $20,000+ MV delivers please.. please.. please I beg for you to look me up.

I'll be more than happy to show you exactly how much performance my little ole' $6500 168rwhp R1 is capable of and maybe that will let you undertand why I dont see the need to purchase a $20000+ bike that I feel is lower in reliability and quality than the bike I own which happens to be 1/3 of the cost of your machine. You can then spend the rest of the day rethinking everything you just wrote to me about and purchased as you watch me go by you again.. and again.. and again..

If embarrassing you in a straight line run isnt boring enough..

Hey I'd be more than happy to challenge my cornering skill versus yours on any on the available road course track.. I'd give you a 10 second lead on me and still probably pass you before the start/finish line on the FIRST lap. If you cant tell I dont just purchase fast vehicles.. I also USE them to the maximum of my ability.

I have never had a need for a 'showpiece' of exotic machinery and damn sure dont need to buy expensive shyt to go fast..

And I dont have to be a race fan like yourself.. because I am a Race-er.. while you spend your days READING what Agusta and the MV may have accomplished in the very.. very.. (did I say very.. was I even born then) very distant past.. I will continue to spend my days RACING what Yamaha is winning in the present.. For example the AMA Superstock championship that an R1 pretty much equally equipped like as my own just won a couple of months of ago.

Since you feel the need to research links and post them for our enjoyment.. please post when the last year the MV has won a national or world level championship on ANY level.. I think that part would really make your day.. and underline why I wouldnt purchase one considering I ACTUALLY purchase my bikes to RACE THEM and not just ride them to the local McDonalds for bike night hangout on Sunday afternoons.

 

For me to purchase whatever I wish or wish not to purchase with my OWN money is my opinion and being a chat forum my right to post my opinion. For you to call another individual ignorant based on their personal opinion is ignorant in itself..

The same whatever reason that makes you feel the need to go out and sign up under a name to express to the world you either own or wish to own a ferrari and list your 04 MV and various bikes.. is completely opposite of the reason why I own mostly japanese vehicles that are top rated in every category from reliability to overall performance to of course best bang for the buck.

I dont have the need to compensate for anything buy purchasing a ridiculously expensive car and/or expensive bike to experience and enjoy what pure performance feels like.

And I can speak for that performance any day because I enjoy it alot my friend.. whenever you feel to the need to see exactly how much performance your $20,000+ MV delivers please.. please.. please I beg for you to look me up.

I'll be more than happy to show you exactly how much performance my little ole' $6500 168rwhp R1 is capable of and maybe that will let you undertand why I dont see the need to purchase a $20000+ bike that I feel is lower in reliability and quality than the bike I own which happens to be 1/3 of the cost of your machine. You can then spend the rest of the day rethinking everything you just wrote to me about and purchased as you watch me go by you again.. and again.. and again..

If embarrassing you in a straight line run isnt boring enough..

Hey I'd be more than happy to challenge my cornering skill versus yours on any on the available road course track.. I'd give you a 10 second lead on me and still probably pass you before the start/finish line on the FIRST lap. If you cant tell I dont just purchase fast vehicles.. I also USE them to the maximum of my ability.

I have never had a need for a 'showpiece' of exotic machinery and damn sure dont need to buy expensive shyt to go fast..

And I dont have to be a race fan like yourself.. because I am a Race-er.. while you spend your days READING what Agusta and the MV may have accomplished in the very.. very.. (did I say very.. was I even born then) very distant past.. I will continue to spend my days RACING what Yamaha is winning in the present.. For example the AMA Superstock championship that an R1 pretty much equally equipped like as my own just won a couple of months of ago.

Since you feel the need to research links and post them for our enjoyment.. please post when the last year the MV has won a national or world level championship on ANY level.. I think that part would really make your day.. and underline why I wouldnt purchase one considering I ACTUALLY purchase my bikes to RACE THEM and not just ride them to the local McDonalds for bike night hangout on Sunday afternoons.

Totally biased post. Stereotyping an individual for the bike they buy and the bike itself. Calling them out on a forum, challenge to a one on one. Err....

Your thread title and comparison really have no meaning. Your right it's your opinion, but it's totally biased. Early 750 MV Agusta engines are Suzuki GSXR- 750 motors. About the first 3-4 years since MV was reborn. Japanese engines are reliable right?

MV had mechanical failures at Daytona. In what their second time testing a new Superbike platform. In a all new program,team,bike,rider,mechanics....

I'll ride my R1 tomorrow and the next day. I'll even replace the coolant line thats leaking on it this weekend. The tach needle that came loose. Hopefully the TPS will not go out on it. Did I mention the clutch cover gasket that was leaking from the factory.....all in all it is a machine right and they do tend to break down.

Didn't Rossi's M1 break down twice this year. Ahhh...wait I looked that up while sitting in Starbucks. Guess that wouldn't count.

 

Dude!! Your a complete moron!!!
I made no mention of the MV whipping up on yamaha.. Re-read my post dumbass!!!! I clearly made the argument that basing the fact that you wont get an MV because it had a couple of bad test tire trails is a bit close minded!!!! Sure everyone is entitled to their opinion, thats why its a forum but your basing your opinion on tire test trials??? OK..... whatever works for you and helps you sleep at night...
You are trying to make an argument that i am stating that the MV is better then the Yamaha... Again , re-read my post.. I said in the beginning, to each his own..... and i never mentioned my MV would take an R1!!!! Duh!!!! I own them so i think i would know.....

By the way, who gives shit what my forum name is or the bikes\cars i own??? i dont need to prove anything to anyone.. (I love cars and bikes just as much as the next guy)... It clearly sounds like you do(what do you have to prove?)... Maybe if your were a little more confident in yourself and your riding you wouldnt have to broadcast "yourself" that your a racer!!!
sounds like you have self esteem problems stating that people who own Ducs, MV's or Ferraris have to compensate for something.... Maybe its you that has to compenstate for your shortcomings..... Who knows, who cares...
Bottom line is to each his own or her own... Try re-reading my original post.. it might make a little more sense second time around...

 

Dude!! Your a complete moron!!!
I made no mention of the MV whipping up on yamaha.. Re-read my post dumbass!!!! I clearly made the argument that basing the fact that you wont get an MV because it had a couple of bad test tire trails is a bit close minded!!!! Sure everyone is entitled to their opinion, thats why its a forum but your basing your opinion on tire test trials??? OK..... whatever works for you and helps you sleep at night...
You are trying to make an argument that i am stating that the MV is better then the Yamaha... Again , re-read my post.. I said in the beginning, to each his own..... and i never mentioned my MV would take an R1!!!! Duh!!!! I own them so i think i would know.....

By the way, who gives shit what my forum name is or the bikes\cars i own??? i dont need to prove anything to anyone.. (I love cars and bikes just as much as the next guy)... It clearly sounds like you do(what do you have to prove?)... Maybe if your were a little more confident in yourself and your riding you wouldnt have to broadcast "yourself" that your a racer!!!
sounds like you have self esteem problems stating that people who own Ducs, MV's or Ferraris have to compensate for something.... Maybe its you that has to compenstate for your shortcomings..... Who knows, who cares...
Bottom line is to each his own or her own... Try re-reading my original post.. it might make a little more sense second time around...

I base my opinion on anything I please.. just like anyone else in this world.. Like I base my opinion that you are azzhole simply on one post that I read about you. LOL Do I need a better reason.. hell no.. thats just the way I feel and thats good enough for me.

I'm.. make that WE.. are still waiting to see you post results of how competitive the MV or Agusta product is in a national or world level racing class in the past what.. 40 years??

As you said Bottom line is to each his or her own.. so if you agree my opinion is what I'm entitled to.. and you spend the time is replying to me about how I'm so wrong what are you are trying to prove my friend?

Or you just like typing all day?

 

"I dont have the need to compensate for anything buy purchasing a ridiculously expensive car and/or expensive bike to experience and enjoy what pure performance feels like."

At first i gave you the benefit of the doubt that you were just "talking racing"......but it's obvious now that your motivation/dislike in the original post wasn't coming from that.

Different people enjoy different rides and have different passions/loyalties....and real, self-secure enthusiasts can appreaciate that view, and the character of a wide variety of bikes, from the "bang for the buck" high rpm screamers to exotic italians.....hell if I won the lottery I'd have more than just a Duc in the garage.

Don't have the need? Sure do have the surpressed anger. Congrats on being the first person to consistantly track their bike.


Ease up on the roid rage.

 

As the Duc boys slowly come out from under their rocks...... :sing:

 

I'm one....all the others own a yammie of some sorts

"Now all we have to do is get you to buy Italian!"

-"in due time my friend, in due time."

:secret: :thumbup

 

I don't understand why people feel the need to insult a different brand bike. Just leave it up to personal preference. The Ducs and MVs are good bikes in their own right. So is a Harley or a BMW. Different people have different needs, so learn to be tolerant and maybe you can learn to appreciate other opinions.

 

Quoted for truth! If you're a douche, I highly recommend reading the above statement!