It looks like they pretty much just took all the hp4 stuff and put it on the new bikes I they are almost exactly the same. I'd like to see that dyno though.

 

So let me get this straight: The 14 HP4 and the 15 RR is pretty much the same bike, but the 15 has improved electronics, chassis and 4hp, but that 4hp has overwhelmed the electronics and made it difficult to ride? Your post seems to defy logic.

 

Because GSXR lol

My magic crystal ball is out of the shop($800 later) and it told me he rides Gsxr. We all know Gsxr guys:sissy:


Its **** around fridays boys:flame::flame:

 

I was quoting the magazine.

I had a gsxr1000 for many years, so the name just stuck.

I have a 2012 BMW s1000rr with $17k in extras.

Can't wait to get my hands on the 2015 R1 .... it will be a great track weapon!

 

We like to give gsxr guys a hard time lol Just having some fun. I used to own an 05 GSXR 1k and i must admit that thing was pretty fun.

POST PICS OF THE BMW!!!!

 

Hey almost all of my bike have been gsxr's. My 05 gsxr 1k is the best bike I have ever ridden to this day. There was a time when they were the best bikes out there sad they have fallen so far.

 

thats why I have a gixxer track bike, I wont feel so bad if I bin it...:lol

 

This is just an FYI,

End result was at the same dyno:
2015 191rwhp (206hp engine)
HP4 187rwhp (200hp engine)
Powercurve shows increase in hp beyond 9k rpm only.

THIS is EXACTLY what i expected!! it is the same basic engine layout, they just managed to squeeze a little more on the top end, which is absolutely nothing to write home about
as it is a traditional inline 4 and thus would represent a peaky output.. Hopefully this will now kill all the 'king of big-chit' debate BS going back and forth...

thank you for posting this!! you just cleared it off my list!!... not what i'm looking for in a bike... what did the torque curve look like? is it identical?

200hp v4 or xplanker it is for me... that i can put to use.. i dont mind electronics but if its only something thats there to keep me from killing myself then no thanks, boring! :fact

Can't wait to get my hands on the 2015 R1 .... it will be a great track weapon!

wait, WHAT!?? DA FVCK!?? gsx in your handle, own a bimmer and actually agree the 2015 R1 will be a track weapon to be reckoned with!!???

this cannot be real, time to get some studs, hell hath frozen over and i need to go to the magic shop!! :hammer:

 

wait, WHAT!?? DA FVCK!?? gsx in your handle, own a bimmer and actually agree the 2015 R1 will be a track weapon to be reckoned with!!???

this cannot be real, time to get some studs, hell hath frozen over and i need to go to the magic shop!! :hammer:

As you can probably tell from my profile pic I am also a huge gsxr fan. As I have mentioned I also have a gsxr tattoo. Also I am not normally a yamaha fan but I'm buying a R1M. I also think it's going to be a hell of a track weapon.

 

to the OP, could you post pictures of your bikes? $17K in extras?!

 

At the Dyno this morning. I had the fairing off so he could reach the spark plug for a torque reading.

Mods:

BST Carbon Fiber Wheels with ceramic bearings
Brembo Billet WSB Calipers with titanium pistons
Brembo Master Cylinder
Brembo Z04 Brake Pads
Brembo Floating Front Rotors
Ohlins FRT front forks
Ohlins TTX rear shock
Ohlins Steering Damper
Attack Racing Billet Triple Tree
Full Akrapovic Titanium Exhaust
Woodcraft clip-ons
Woodcraft rearsets
Vortex Pegs
Annitori Quick Shifter
Various Titanium Bolts
520 ERV3 lightweight chain
520 Superlite -1 front sprocket
520 Superlite -2 rear sprocket
Tank Pads
Ballistic Light weight battery
Motul 300V 5w40 Oil
Yoshimura Case Protectors
Frame Sliders
PCV wired into the canbus system
Autotune wired into the canbus system
ECU Flashed

 

:shake man clearly you don't know how to internet, since you actually have 17k in mods you should have stated that it was 34k in mods and that you and Vale were best buds from way back. **** it, you also taught Marquez everything he knows. Well done otherwise :33:

 

Having been riding bikes since they started to break the 100HP mark and now closing up to 200HP, what has become evident is that people are more interested in the bike doing the 'fast' riding for them.

auto blipper,
traction control,
abs,
lean angle,
wheelie control,
launch control,


No doubt you will go 'faster' BUT the software between the ears is still on AOL v1.0. I'm torn at the moment as I'm deciding should I buy an old tricked out raw R1 that I originally fell in love with or getting the 2015.

 

You CAN turn all the electronics off!

For me its a safety issue, in the last four years of track riding and street riding (60k miles) all on three different BMW s1000rr's, i have seen many accidents.

The software on my BMW's has probably saved me from about 10 crashes, sadly not so for my friends, including one death. All preventable if they had been riding the BMW or any other bike with similar safety features.

I am having more fun now than at any time riding in the last 40 years ..... and i turn off all the electronics for the interstate ride home

 

That's the thing, part of the fun of the original R1 98-01 was the DANGER. It was raw, loud, obnoxious, barely tamed and scary. A little too much gas and you got tossed. The crazy thing was that the power was so addicting people were going bonkers with flatsides and ram air to get even more. It was an interesting time when for 98-99 the R1 was the BEAST. Crazy rollon wheelies absurd lunacy up in the hills. Every weekend somebody got hurt but what a rush.

Now everybody only talks about how controlled everything is and "safe" the ride became. Sure you go faster BUT it's too medicated now. If you turn off the electronics, you're definitely asking for a crash because then your TALENT or lack thereof becomes readily apparent. SO you can't turn it off.

Your riding skills have to be looked at in conjunction with HP levels. Once you go above 120-130 hp, you seriously have to pay attention. Over 170, and you need the safety net. The safety net limits what you can safely play with which more most riders will go back down to an efficient 130 HP. So what do you really gain?

I easily chased down a guy in an RSV V4 APRC up in the hills that was trying his best to get away. AND you know they're trying when they're using all of the lane and even went wide in a few. When he got off the bike at the rest stop, he was pretty pissed after he realized my bike is over 10 years old.

 

I had a 99 R1 and it was a very good bike, but the 2001 gsxr1000 was waaay better!

I rode the R1 at Sebring and Daytona tracks, and the gsxr1000 at Daytona.

The gsxr1000 on the banking at Daytona made my R1 feel like an R6 ..... power wise the R1 was not very strong, even with a full M4 system.

The street tires in 1999 were crap!

I had a high side at 120 mph on my 99 Busa, coming out of a corner in 3rd gear, the tire just spun and let go without warning!

I use the same slicks as the World Super bike guys at Jennings GP in Florida, and they are only good for 20 laps on my BMW s1000rr, then they start sliding around, and without electronics you would crash very quickly!

 

I don't think it was the power, it was far more the shit tires they made back then. I mean with heat in them they were good, but when they let go usually that was it. Also in changing street conditions they were pretty poor overall.

 

I've been using Pirelli SuperCorsas SC2 since 2000. Feels the same to me as back then, the difference only being that now you can go to 190-55 and 200-55. Where back then you only could use 180-55.

that is exactly what Valentino Rossi himself made very clear, and i'm sure Yamaha did not find it exactly to be an appealing part of the interview... even the stuff he was using 5 years ago he wasnt about to let your avg joe try and deal with it all, you still needed to be a professional to safely operate something that puts out 1hp per kg or more! which is the mark we're reaching now with all this power...

now the stuff on the Yamaha is much better, much smoother and also reliable but it seems at least on the kawi and bmw bikes it has only been there to keep you from fvcking killing yourself trying to be faster n' faster, be it on public roads and on track as well, some folks doing reviews have been honest enough to admit the 10R was no where near up to snuff with their TC implementation but you'll be damned if you're gonna get any fanboi to admit that!! MORE than likely they are not putting the 10Rs motor anywhere near to use of its full potential... ie. not flashed :sneaky

me n' drJak were having this exact discussion and both were very happy to have put the effort into getting good useable power out of the current xplanker and let the electronic limitations be a tool to get our minds and wrists tuned, yes we can be damn fast on the current R1 and have no real absolute need for electronics.. which is probably the case on the 10r side of things really.

the reason I am keeping an eye on the new R1 though and the sheer amount of high end technology which comes with it stock is because i know they're not bullshitting us when they say it came straight off Valentino's own motorcycle, in his own words, you'd kill yourself on this bike if it werent so, and he himself would not have put his name on it if it were the shit from 5 years ago... of course this means that it is still in its infancy but at least its now ready for the public... Personally the reason i'm happy it comes on the R1 is because i want to do a proper WSBK build!! call me crazy but i do want to ride a fvcking 19x rear wheel horsepower monkey with 90s x lb.ft of torque!! i mean c'mon thats where the real bleeding edge is these days... so yeah i'll take the electronics now please, i will likely need them... :hammer:



see!?? you cant make this shit up, i've seen the motoGP footage, and every bloody time a sensor or programming goes haywire or x factor comes to play

it has always resulted on a PRO LEVEL rider flying off into the distance and broken bones ensued... ummhh...

i dont want that for fvck sakes, i need to make a living and these old bones dont heal all that well anymore :shake

Yeah I have no problems in building a good race rep. BUT then think about taking it to a track and the possibility of destroying it or even a light low sided. :scared: If you want to go as fast as possible which your bike is now capable of, you've got to get rid of the crash monkey which is hard unless you're sponsored or Bill Gates. I'm a proponent of getting a 600 and squeezing the tits out of that than my 60k wsbk race rep.

 

Didnt you say you don't ride track Bacchus? What the hell you gonna do with a wsbk build?

 

i've been considering it as well, which is why i would like to keep my current R1 as a road bike... it may just be a pipe dream at the end of the day as i've got various interests
but that doesnt mean i dont want at least 18xrwhp, and i would personally like the safety net of electronics and slide control, abs all that jazz... lets not get into the whole ohh
but you'll never use anywhere near the full potential on the blah blah blah... not what the post is about, but that doesnt stop the fanbois for jumping down my throat

wsbk is just something i put up there cause folks have a tough time understanding the difference in hp, but i'm no Bill Gates, I probably do ride way better than him though :lol

unfortunately the whole track thing has been something that completely sucks here in Canada west coast as the only track which is near us is very small and you cant possibly open a literbike up, there are a couple of tracks nearby now though, in WA state we have the Ridge Motorsports and yes of course a few riders run literbikes out there. Im not opposed to the idea, also the weather can be rather shitty at times even in summer so in the past some guys have gone n' gotten their shit together with trailers n' such, gone down paid for motels for the weekend only to find the stupid track day weekend they paid for is a waste as the weather closed in and it rained the whole bloody time :shake

Yeah I have no problems in building a good race rep. BUT then think about taking it to a track and the possibility of destroying it or even a light low sided. :scared: If you want to go as fast as possible which your bike is now capable of, you've got to get rid of the crash monkey which is hard unless you're sponsored or Bill Gates. I'm a proponent of getting a 600 and squeezing the tits out of that than my 60k wsbk race rep.

well dont fvcking crash then :crash

i'm not into 600s man.. i find the smaller bikes uncomfortable to ride, albeit the new R1 isnt that much bigger :hammer:

i wasnt talking full on race prep either, just that i am aware the new engine will have the capabilities to be elevated nicely with YEC components... i'm good with my hands
and since i've got access to cheap mechanical know how and labor then i had considered building up my current motor but since i do not race it just seems like a bit
of a hassle at the end of the day... I dont have the time nor the interest to fully service and keep a WSBK level build... the new R1 comes with the goods from the factory
and as we all well know there will be plenty of factory support for this model as they're going back to WSBK... hence the reference.. that is all folks :yesnod

 

I didn't know there wernt a lot of tracks in Canada. I'm in auburn WA and ride at the ridge. It's a great track. My profile pic is at the ridge. Plenty of room for a liter bike there. I ride a 05 gsxr1k there. Can't wait to get the new r1 out there.

 

its funny how everybody loves to jump down my throat when ever a comment is made in regards to utilizing the R1 as a road bike, which shockingly enough its exactly what it was designed for!
albeit a powerful road bike... but yeah man... have you ever heard of Mission Raceways? dont worry most canadians havent either :hammer:

i believe some dudes actually reach 160kph to 200 kph at one point here n' there, how exciting :lol

 

I think 00-06 it was pretty hard to find a better bike then the gsxr's. Nowadays not so much. I had a similar experience between gsxr's and r1's going from a 05 gsxr1k to a 06 r1 the power difference was very noticeable. I love my gsxr but it's time for a new bike and the new r1m got me a excited so now I just wait till march and see how good it is.

 

No I haven't heard of it. Last summer at the ridge I got a perfect drive out the last corner and hit 174mph indicated before braking for turn one. As for liter bikes on the road I'm with you on that. I don't like 600's I started riding liter bikes at 17. At the time it was because I wanted the biggest baddest bike hey I was a kid. Bought a new 03 gsxr1k after ridding a 94 750 for a year. Been on liter bikes ever since. I ride my buddies 600 sometimes and it's not so much the lack of power I don't like it's that it seems much more nervous I guess is the word where as all my 1000's feel very stable and planted.

 

dead on why i enjoy liter bikes, they're very stable, provide excellent front end feel and can handle the demands of shitty roads with ease.. a 600? ummh no thanks...
maybe if it was 100% dedicated track day bike, but then again even though i am spanish i'm not entirely shaped like one :lol

 

dead on why i enjoy liter bikes, they're very stable, provide excellent front end feel and can handle the demands of shitty roads with ease.. a 600? ummh no thanks..

Huh?......

 

1.21.65 on my 2010 BMW s1000rr in Oct 2012.

Then I bought a 2012 and have only been twice.

1.21.69 on my 2012 BMW s1000rr in Oct 2013.

I have had trouble dialing in the chassis to handle all the power, which is why my times are not better.

I only use 4 th gear!

 

Sorry, you're not lapping around Jennings without leaving fourth gear. The chassis can't handle the power?? What?

 

I went 1st Nov 2014, but it was 40F , too cold so we went home!

I use a QStarz GPS data logger.

It also provides your best theoretical time, based on your best splits. Mine at Jennings GP is 1.19.6 seconds, i just can't get my best splits all on the same lap

 

Here are the calipers.

I did not pay msrp, but you are forgetting labor to install all this and dyno time!

I also have a custom Ohlins front fork setup from Alpha Racing, by the same suspension mechanic used by Marco Melandri in WSB.

It has totally different shim stacks for rebound and compression. Try guessing what order to set up 35 shims and HOPE to get it right!

 

Those are the same as I have but I didn't pay labor to install any of it

 

I'm too damn old to work on bikes anymore.

 

Reading comprehension isn't very good on this forum...:fact

 

I never said you were wrong Bacchus... I said you were stating opinion and preference. So people disagree and have conversations but I cant? :shake

Gsxrian... Awaiting video

 

I never said you were wrong Bacchus... I said you were stating opinion and preference.

MY mistake mate,!! maybe the recent conversation had me already on edge, quite a few 600 riders firmly believe they are the end all in sport-bike riding, which is decidedly incorrect

in this case, while it may be personal preference and opinion i can assure you it lined up perfectly fine with 11 out of 12 or 13 other random bikers around a bar table, i dont think it was the beer talking either

clearly you could have done fine because your chassis wouldn't have gotten upset

hell i'm upset, but i dont think it had anything to do with said chassis :hammer:

Shoulda bought something besides Japanese

it wouldnt be 100% as reliable as one though, and you know it!! or so i'm told anyway :shake

Should I add $60 to the amount of mods I have every weekend I change my oil :lol

You throwing out 17k in mods is to brag about $$ nothing more, nothing less.

not unless you intend to list the price for an oil filter as well!! details man!!

but I completely agree with your 2nd comment, a mate of mine recently purchased a modded 2010 R1 and he was told said owner had over 25k invested!!
he started going through the list to impress me, i'm sure the invested quote included cost of bike,

Reading comprehension isn't very good on this forum...:fact

i'm beginning to sense you're on to something :shake

I guess in your case, your time can't be very valuable!

clearly we're using power tools :hammer:

I couldn't tell you how much I have in mods on my bike and I prefer it that way. I actually only remember the exact amount of 1 item and that is because I paid full price for it :lol

i'm with yah mate..! just think its funny usually the ones that bitch about how expensive modding bikes is, are usually sitting on their ass waiting on someone else do do it for them...

i constantly get emails about how much my buddy is spending on his bike, and then i get pics of it sitting at his buddy's shop.. i always get a good laugh out of it :hammer:

all my pics are shitty cell phone images and you can clearly see the tiny garage in the background :thumbup

 

So much knowledge and wisdom in this thread it should be made a sticky topic

And you were bitching about being stuck in 4th at Road America Chris, clearly you could have done fine because your chassis wouldn't have gotten upset

 

I was in 3rd....that was the problem, my chassis couldn't handle it :lol

 

Did anyone mention a Yoyodyne yet? I heard those things are the BOMB!

 

Only if you can't afford STM :crash

 

Yoyodyne....I feel like I've heard you say that before, several times, today, in the last hour :lol


Damn I got beat on the yoyodyne call out