Just spoke with a friend from Yamaha who is test riding the NEW R1M in Japan. He would not say anything more, but not sure if its coming in 2016. Not happy abput that at all. I guess they didnt play all their cards.
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2016 R1M Looks like its going to happen
still dealers out there with 2015 R1M's in stock. Just got one priced at 19549. Basically, 500 over cost. so something must be in the wind......
I think it's funny how many people hate on the R1M...
Its pretty simple... if you are an aggressive riding and have a desire/need for a better suspension option you will get yourself right there to the R1M price. The only difference is after you you $3400 for good cartridges and a shock... Then another grand on install and setup... and are close to the R1M price.. You will eat that on resale. I've done two full ohlins bikes which is why I opted to go with the M.
The electronics, suspension make the bike worth the extra coin alone. The carbon and the fact that i've never seen another (despite seeing 4-5 other R1's) is a pretty cool factor as well. I enjoyed hunting my bike down, I've put 3000 HARD miles on the bike and am mounting up my third set of tires... While half of the people on here have let their shit sit in a garage or waited months for a bike. If they extra few grand makes a difference in your life then you likely should not own one at all. Just saying...
Its pretty simple... if you are an aggressive riding and have a desire/need for a better suspension option you will get yourself right there to the R1M price. The only difference is after you you $3400 for good cartridges and a shock... Then another grand on install and setup... and are close to the R1M price.. You will eat that on resale. I've done two full ohlins bikes which is why I opted to go with the M.
The electronics, suspension make the bike worth the extra coin alone. The carbon and the fact that i've never seen another (despite seeing 4-5 other R1's) is a pretty cool factor as well. I enjoyed hunting my bike down, I've put 3000 HARD miles on the bike and am mounting up my third set of tires... While half of the people on here have let their shit sit in a garage or waited months for a bike. If they extra few grand makes a difference in your life then you likely should not own one at all. Just saying...
I don't recall Yamaha ever saying it was a one-time run... Just that the *2015* R1M was going to be limited to 500 units.
A bunch of forum members said it would be and that if you didn't get one this go around you never would.
If they come out with the yellow and black R1M that we been seeing around this forum and it's coming out for the 60th anniversary it should be number plated unlike the 2015 R1M limited production bike.
there may be another 1m model but I do not not think if will be the same color scheme as this 2015. updated and better equipped? maybe...but it will be its own not a 2015. I hope......
If they come out with one for 2016 I'll be keeping my 2015 R1M how much different can it be. :dunno going off topic I can't wait to see Yamaha new sport side by side that's what I'll spend my money on for 2016.
looks like its going to happen
Don't feed the trolls. Very happy with my R1M regardless of what 2016 holds.
In addition; No sanctioning body allow electronic suspension for racing but if they did I'd guaranty that every team would be using them to be competitive and you wouldn't see owners pulling out forks and shocks as much. We all like to copy what the teams are doing, to say we have the best.
As for 2016 I think the new "S" will sit above the base but will be missing some of what the "M" has like carbon body work and mag wheels. Maybe Yamaha will pull a Ducati and offer a base, S and limited one model year M. I would not expect another M until an update say in 17 or 18. Just a thought.
Don't feed the trolls. Very happy with my R1M regardless of what 2016 holds.
In addition; No sanctioning body allow electronic suspension for racing but if they did I'd guaranty that every team would be using them to be competitive and you wouldn't see owners pulling out forks and shocks as much. We all like to copy what the teams are doing, to say we have the best.
As for 2016 I think the new "S" will sit above the base but will be missing some of what the "M" has like carbon body work and mag wheels. Maybe Yamaha will pull a Ducati and offer a base, S and limited one model year M. I would not expect another M until an update say in 17 or 18. Just a thought.
That is not true. Electronically controlled suspension is fully allowed in FIM Superbike, Supersport, Superstock as well as Endurance, but only if the electronically controlled suspension is OEM equipment in the particular motorcycle model discussed. Aftermarket or prototype electronically controlled suspension is not allowed.
This means the R1M OEM suspension is fully allowed in WSB, FIM Superstock as well as FIM Endurance.
The M was created for racing purposes. The 500 amount was to meet FIM homologation rules and other sanctioning bodies. Everything short of the bodywork is legal to race in all Superstock series. The reason they are not seen in Superbike is that the cartridges are not as good as the gas charged options currently allowed by Moto America, and the full customer spec gas forks in BSB.
That being said, these are full Ohlins components unlike previous Ducati forks which were identical construction to their OEM fork with internal upgrades and Ohlins badges. With the success of the M in the German Superbike series and others, it is likely they will continue to meet the criteria for homologation as long as it is cost effective to do so.
That being said, these are full Ohlins components unlike previous Ducati forks which were identical construction to their OEM fork with internal upgrades and Ohlins badges. With the success of the M in the German Superbike series and others, it is likely they will continue to meet the criteria for homologation as long as it is cost effective to do so.
I heard something that Yamaha wants to see how many they would sell do to the price tag that's why it was limit to 500 but since they "sold" all there M they figure make it for 2016 but just how many M are still sitting in dealers. I have about 5 around me right now.
I was on the local club racing forum a month or two ago, and I was shocked to see a '15 R1, fully race prepped, in the for sale section. Was being sold by a pretty fast local racer, too. I asked around why he was selling it, and I found out that there were at that time three '15 R1s racing locally--two Ms and his base model. He was selling his completely setup base model--and taking a huge loss in the process--in order to get on an M like the other two guys.
I know we're not talking about high-level pros here, and I know it's a small sample size, but I thought it was an interesting anecdote to add to the discussion.
Personally, I didn't buy the M (for a track bike) for many of the reasons mentioned here: I didn't want to pay for carbon bodywork that was going to come off immediately, I already have a datalogger that works well enough for me, and I didn't like the idea of suspension that wouldn't be consistent on the track (figured I'd just upgrade to TTX and carts down the road). Hearing about the local racer feeling he was at a competitive disadvantage on the base model was eye-opening, although his bike was on stock suspension.
It's my understanding that Haga helped develop the mechatronic system in WSBK with Yamaha in '07 or so, and Rossi used it to win the '08 title before it was banned in GP. With the right internals, it must work quite well.
I know we're not talking about high-level pros here, and I know it's a small sample size, but I thought it was an interesting anecdote to add to the discussion.
Personally, I didn't buy the M (for a track bike) for many of the reasons mentioned here: I didn't want to pay for carbon bodywork that was going to come off immediately, I already have a datalogger that works well enough for me, and I didn't like the idea of suspension that wouldn't be consistent on the track (figured I'd just upgrade to TTX and carts down the road). Hearing about the local racer feeling he was at a competitive disadvantage on the base model was eye-opening, although his bike was on stock suspension.
It's my understanding that Haga helped develop the mechatronic system in WSBK with Yamaha in '07 or so, and Rossi used it to win the '08 title before it was banned in GP. With the right internals, it must work quite well.
I'm no Valentino rossi I bough the M bc it's a rare bike and I have yet to see on the streets. I'm happy with it. I'm sure when I go to the track it will be great for me.
It appears that a lot of dealers in NY either got them and can't move them, or got more than 2. I bought mine from Long Island Yamaha and Kawi because all of the dealers around here had 4-5 deposits and knew they were only getting two. Their idea was to collect the deposits and have a line of buyers in case one bailed. They kept that deposit and moved to the next in line. They also hoped that 1 of those 4 or 5 would throw in the towel and pick up a standard R1. I bought my bike in March IIRC and literally called over 50 dealers and finally found one.
Back to the suspension... Now that I think there is no doubt that the average rider benefits from the M and even the above average... followed by the top club racers... It's clear there is plenty of value in the M over the carbon fairings. Not everyone has the same mindset but if you're looking from a pure financial mindset the R1M is a no brainer unless you don't ride aggressively at all and in that case... Why even buy a sports bike? especially one with a rock hard seat.
if you say you're pulling the plastics off and going racing... Well the carbon fairings are going to bring a considerable amount of money in over the standard. Yes, it may take a little while but there is a strong difference in pricing. You will want to upgrade your suspension more than likely and the Ohlins aftermarket stuff is damn near $3500 just for good cartridges and a TTX. Not including install and setup if that's what you need. I wont even go in to the data logger.
I think people will start seeing when the R1M's go on the market in a few years along side of the mildly modded standard R1. I watched it with the BMW and the HP4... unfortunately in that deal I was one of those with a stand s1000rr that had full Ohlins suspension and other tidbits that made my bike a far superior performance machine than an HP4... yet a similar mileage one sold for near double that of my bike. By 2018 (feel old saying that) the R1M's will likely still fetch in the high teens for a decent mileage bike while the standard one will struggle to get $10-11k.
I haven't ridden a standard bike but I will tell you this... my bike is a freaking blast and I dont regret it for one second. I love this thing and that's saying a lot... In the last 3 years I've had 3 (yes 3) Cadillac CTSV's, an SRT-10, 2009 ZX10, 2011 ZX10 and an S1000rr (all toys... 3rd and 4th vehicles)... I've gotten bored with all and sold them. This R1M is staying in the garage for the long haul.
I also had two buddies that road my bike down at the gap (one former r1 owner that was now on a GSXR1000 and another former R1 owner that has an 07 and 09, along with an s1000rr)... Both guys bought a 2015 R1 within the next two weeks. Prior to riding the bike neither one of them were in the immediate market for a new bike. Tell me that aint awesome!
Back to the suspension... Now that I think there is no doubt that the average rider benefits from the M and even the above average... followed by the top club racers... It's clear there is plenty of value in the M over the carbon fairings. Not everyone has the same mindset but if you're looking from a pure financial mindset the R1M is a no brainer unless you don't ride aggressively at all and in that case... Why even buy a sports bike? especially one with a rock hard seat.
if you say you're pulling the plastics off and going racing... Well the carbon fairings are going to bring a considerable amount of money in over the standard. Yes, it may take a little while but there is a strong difference in pricing. You will want to upgrade your suspension more than likely and the Ohlins aftermarket stuff is damn near $3500 just for good cartridges and a TTX. Not including install and setup if that's what you need. I wont even go in to the data logger.
I think people will start seeing when the R1M's go on the market in a few years along side of the mildly modded standard R1. I watched it with the BMW and the HP4... unfortunately in that deal I was one of those with a stand s1000rr that had full Ohlins suspension and other tidbits that made my bike a far superior performance machine than an HP4... yet a similar mileage one sold for near double that of my bike. By 2018 (feel old saying that) the R1M's will likely still fetch in the high teens for a decent mileage bike while the standard one will struggle to get $10-11k.
I haven't ridden a standard bike but I will tell you this... my bike is a freaking blast and I dont regret it for one second. I love this thing and that's saying a lot... In the last 3 years I've had 3 (yes 3) Cadillac CTSV's, an SRT-10, 2009 ZX10, 2011 ZX10 and an S1000rr (all toys... 3rd and 4th vehicles)... I've gotten bored with all and sold them. This R1M is staying in the garage for the long haul.
I also had two buddies that road my bike down at the gap (one former r1 owner that was now on a GSXR1000 and another former R1 owner that has an 07 and 09, along with an s1000rr)... Both guys bought a 2015 R1 within the next two weeks. Prior to riding the bike neither one of them were in the immediate market for a new bike. Tell me that aint awesome!
Around me, KY and OH, there are at least four dealers with R1M's in stock. I made a great deal on one and was going to get it last week when I read this thread about a 16. Now, with trepidation, I'm waiting. Not to concerned about the color, but I'm hoping for some updates. Maybe auto blip down shift, more hp for US market, improved electronics in suspension.... who knows. Be a kicker for me if they don't bring it back!!!!!
Ive only seen 2 R1s. A Raven and a Red and apparently there is another R1M that is registered in the same city as I am but ive never seen it riding around haha.
by far, I think any rider local to me knows that there is a dude ( me ) with an R1M rolling around LOL as I commute with the bike o_0
As for a 2016, oh well. I still love mine.
but to add to the news.
Yamaha YZR-M1 in Special 60th Anniversary as Wildcard in the Grand Prix of Japan at Motegi - autoevolution
Im digging the yellow.
by far, I think any rider local to me knows that there is a dude ( me ) with an R1M rolling around LOL as I commute with the bike o_0
As for a 2016, oh well. I still love mine.
but to add to the news.
Yamaha YZR-M1 in Special 60th Anniversary as Wildcard in the Grand Prix of Japan at Motegi - autoevolution
Im digging the yellow.
I get the whole concept and everything, but I don't like that throw back color scheme on the R1.
https://www.facebook.com/FastBikesMagazine/posts/1002310446458353
Here you go guys......2016 Livery is getting closer to being real i think.....
Here you go guys......2016 Livery is getting closer to being real i think.....
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