I needed the two gears, a shift fork, shift drum and new circlips for my transmission repair. Also don't forget other costs like sealant, gaskets, coolant, oil etc...

This problem dose wear the these other components as they are responsible for holding the transmission in gear. When it slips it causes damage to these parts.

Worn shift drum:

Worn Shift fork guide:

All up it cost me $850 (Australian) in parts alone.

I would expect that the dealer will get the parts cheaper than they will sell them to you so you might as well let them get them when they do the repair.

 

There is no way in hell you will need a whole new transmission...lol You need to talk to a new dealer.

Every job is different. Sometimes you only need two gears, sometimes you need five, sometimes you don't need a new shift drum and sometimes you do.

It's about a 1K job at the shop I work at generally. That is if the bike has not been ridden alot after 2nd gear went out.

Keep riding it and the metal bits will find their way into the oil pump, and then into the main and rod bearinds, all of which will have to be replaced.

there are several posts about this on the site in the last month or so, some useful information in them if you care to look.

 

There is no way in hell you will need a whole new transmission...lol You need to talk to a new dealer.

Every job is different. Sometimes you only need two gears, sometimes you need five, sometimes you don't need a new shift drum and sometimes you do.

It's about a 1K job at the shop I work at generally. That is if the bike has not been ridden alot after 2nd gear went out.

Keep riding it and the metal bits will find their way into the oil pump, and then into the main and rod bearinds, all of which will have to be replaced.

there are several posts about this on the site in the last month or so, some useful information in them if you care to look.

Yea, I did not think so myself that i needed a new transmission. My situation, 2nd gear still works fine, just under hard acceleration is when it may skip for a fraction of a second and act normal. its not like its constant. if i am crusing. no problems really. I found a guy to do the work for 1200 who has done work on my bike before. so i am going to take him the money for the parts tomorrow and then go from there.

Is it 2nd and 6th gear that needs to be replaced together or some other combination

 

Each "gear" actually use's two gears to make it work, so for a 6 speed, you have 12 seperate gears.

Yes almost always you will replace one of the 2nd and 6th gear wheels. Some times alot more, and sometimes not. No way to tell until you get it apart and look at it.

Make sure he takes the oil pump aaprt, and check s the rod bearings.

 

JAYSTENSEC4CYL

At your shop, how long does it normally take from start to finish on average when repairing this problem? Is it your opinion that someone mechanically inclined can do this themselves?

Thanks

 

3-4 weeks from drop to to ride out usually, so long as nothing is back ordered.

Sometimes it less, but I would say thats an honest average.

Hard to say about mechanically inclined. That means alot of different things to alot of different people.

If you don't own 1k in tools and box already then no I would probably not attempt it.

It's not amazingly hard, but lots of little things to look out for. Lots of through cleaning that needs to be done, and mostly you need someone with experiance to look at all the pieces and make sure the nessiary parts get ordered.

 

man, i gotta get a new 2nd gear, i broke mine and now have to double shift into 3rd to avoid it... i can still use it gentley but that sux..

est. $1000- sh*t ....

oh well has 2 b done.

 

stop using it completely. Every time you use it and it pops out it sends little pieces of metal into the oiling system, which wind up in the oil pump and main and rod bearings.

Just skip 2nd gear completely, even on down shifts.

 

Where are the other treads on this?

 

Where are the other treads on this?

Try HOW TO'S & MECHANICAL HELP.

 

jay is correct. i just did f4i for guy. well pulled motor out and spkit it in about 3 1/2 hours one saturday. ordered parts which took like 4 days and then assembled it the following monday and tuesday nights. so all in all he was down about 10 days...mainly due to i was out of town for race on weekend and couldnt do it then. its not difficult, but if your not sorta knowlegdeable then it can be way over your head. i did his free of charge as my good dead for year. he is in military and just bought it 3 months before used. 2nd went out and inspecting it, all gears on on primary output shaft had marks on then, tho forks and drum were perfect. you wont know what parts u need till you have it out. in this case he spent about $500 on parts oil, filter, antifreeze. each gear was in neighborhood of 70$ of so. most of time i replace tranny i change forks and drum just becuz im there. i dont like to chance it, tho in this case they were perfect, which i have never seen before with tranny out.

 

I had all my gears replaced when my second gear went out. I looked at it like if I am going to split the entire engine I mine as well fix everything. It should not be that much money if you have someone you know do the work and help them. It cost me like $500 in parts for every thing. If you let a dealer-ship do that kind of work you are going to be paying out the A$$. Like you have already found out.

Good Luck,:thumbup

 

or take them out and send them to R&D to undercut tranny. last one i sent had few problems on some gears and with undecutting process they saved all original gears cept 2. cost like $350 or so, then you shouldnt have to worry about tranny giving you any more problems.

 

or take them out and send them to R&D to undercut tranny. last one i sent had few problems on some gears and with undecutting process they saved all original gears cept 2. cost like $350 or so, then you shouldnt have to worry about tranny giving you any more problems.

can you explain what 'undercutting' a tranny is?

 

Make sure he takes the oil pump aaprt, and check s the rod bearings.

Since the oil gets pumped directly into the filter then into the main and rod bearings, how would metal make it there?

 

JAYSTENSEC4CYL

At your shop, how long does it normally take from start to finish on average when repairing this problem? Is it your opinion that someone mechanically inclined can do this themselves?

Thanks

Absolutely not. On top of being the very last thing to come out, transmission jobs suck. There are so many things on the rebuild that if you get wrong will make a big mess of the motor, leave it to a mechanic.

Have you ever thought of just getting a new motor on Ebay? I think a motor swap is a reasonable task for someone who is mechanically inclined... it might even be cheaper in the long run and you could sell your broke ass motor and recoup some of the $$$

 

Absolutely not. On top of being the very last thing to come out, transmission jobs suck. There are so many things on the rebuild that if you get wrong will make a big mess of the motor, leave it to a mechanic.

Have you ever thought of just getting a new motor on Ebay? I think a motor swap is a reasonable task for someone who is mechanically inclined... it might even be cheaper in the long run and you could sell your broke ass motor and recoup some of the $$$

Yup, unless you have experience building engines, I would not undertake it.

 

My bike is almost a year old and just put 9000 miles on it. A couple days ago I was getting on throttle a little bit. After I shifted from first to second and got up to 10thou. rpm it slipped into netural. It hasn't done it since but I need to know if that could be a serious problem.

 

I rebuilt my tranny on my '04 R1 while being supervised by a real mechanic.
Bag and Tag everything. Even take pictures.
It was one heck of a job. Not to hard, but more stressful than anything. You should do it with someone that knows what the heck there doing and not drinking. Not a begginer job at all. Pay someone to do it, next time I will.

 

Are there tranny probs with R1's? My 05 shifts kinda shitty, and sometimes when downshifting it wont go into gears- kind of a pain in the ass. If i'm coming to a light or something especially- i'll clutch it and go to first but it wont, i'll have to screw with it at the stop and engage clutch try again before I can get it in. Is this common? Is it gonna be a problem?

 

can you explain what 'undercutting' a tranny is?

undercutting is just that. where the dogs of gears slide together and lock the 2 gears together and give you say 2nd gear on bike. the dogs that go together are basically square. the will cut the square parts and make them into angles. so basicallt they lock together better. when they are square and you miss gear..they hit and damage the part and its no longer square anymore. after time these square parts cant hold together at higher RPMS and ur tranny needs fixed. with undercutting the angles they cut into the "dogs" make the parts lock together in better way so that they cant miss a gear. drag race guys do this alot to there trannys to give them longer life than stock tranny. So when i sent my messed up tranny to them...in the undercutting process they remove some metal from gears...well the parts they removed were the bad spots and the gears did not have to be replaced. i am including a picture and i m sorry if i have confused you. seeing one in person compared to stock one shows you the difference.

 

Are there tranny probs with R1's? My 05 shifts kinda shitty, and sometimes when downshifting it wont go into gears- kind of a pain in the ass. If i'm coming to a light or something especially- i'll clutch it and go to first but it wont, i'll have to screw with it at the stop and engage clutch try again before I can get it in. Is this common? Is it gonna be a problem?

I got the same problem. A freind told me to use full synthetic oil but I haven't tried it yet.

 

I use Mobil MX4T synthetic

 

I use Mobil MX4T synthetic

:dunno

 

:dunno

He said he had the same problem and a friend told him to use synthetic, I was just stating that I already do- it doesnt help.