Police often practice putting cars into a skid by tapping on the back end. TECHNICALLY (key word) is a bike any different if it is attempting to flee from police? I am not saying I agree, but would it hold up in court? Good arguement.

 

Police often practice putting cars into a skid by tapping on the back end. TECHNICALLY (key word) is a bike any different if it is attempting to flee from police? I am not saying I agree, but would it hold up in court? Good arguement.

I DONT THINK IT WOULD HOLD UP IN COURT BUT OUR LEGAL SYSTEM IS ALL FUKED UP. BIG DIF. BETWEEN A CAR & A BIKE

 

he wouldn't have done it if it was another car :lol
doesn't look good as obviously the rider got taken out.

 

For whatever reason I cannot load the link. My comment is based only on my perspective having not seen what went on in the video.

 

I'm sure there were many factors that played into the officer's decision. The rider was wrong for fleeing/

 

THE COP WAS WRONG
THE COPS ARE THERE TO PROTECT NOT TO KILL

 

:corn

It can be argued both ways, yes if you compare it to a car chase then yes he can lawfully "ram" him. I think this might differ from state to state but maybe some legal tycoon or forum cop can enlighten us.

I don't agree, you can kill the riders. To fishtail a car (last resort) will have it spin and stop, they normally do it in open areas. Cars are designed to crash with crumple zones. The only crumple zones we have is in our lids (if it's a good one) and offcourse the bones in our bodies.

If you fishtail a bike :scared

If a cop rams me I'll have his ass for attempted murder and or assualt with the intent to cause grevious bodily harm and he'll buy a new bike and pay my medical bills (if I'm alive) :bash

:fork Ride Safe :rock

 

If a cop rams me I'll have his ass for attempted murder and or assualt with the intent to cause grevious bodily harm and he'll buy a new bike and pay my medical bills (if I'm alive) :bash

:fork Ride Safe :rock

I think any LEO who rams or P.I.T.s a motorcycle rider should be charged with assault or attempted murder, because of the vunerability of motorcycle riders. To me, that's deadly force using a car against a bike. As everyone here knows, we do not have the protection of all that metal a car or truck has. We are exposed to the elements so if hit by any vehicle, we are at great risk. Too me, thats just like a fleeing felon who points their vehicle at a LEO standing in front of them trying to stop them. The felon gets charged with assault or attempted murder in that situation. So why shouldn't LEO's be charged too? They shouldn't get away with it just because they have society or justice on their side. To protect and serve, not hurt and maim.

 

:scared WOW.....mmmmm to SOLIDUS we must ask to find inlightenment sneaky in yota`s voice) anyway sure looks wanting on the cruiser video don`t it?? but , first why is the guy on the bike running??? we need to know this before we start sticking shoes in our mouths( as i`ve done lately my crash left me not being able to explain what i want to say..it`s fooked up, but getting better....wear a f**king helmet people...dam) which this guy may find out how it feels!. Right so back to this ...why`s the guy running? maybe he`s got a bag of crank or murdered some old lady for her oxy??? we don`t know yet i bet he just has a suspended license and if thats the case then here we go again with BAD JUDGEMENT OF a PI :2bitchsla see (bad judgement) POLICE OFFICER and if it was for just a traffic stop then the guy on the bike got what he got this not a tased situation the guy-kid was running PULL OVER and suck it up. From what i saw the guy was hawling ass and just because its a bike, at high speeds a bike is just as bad as a car iv`e seen it a bike can split a car like a telephone pole and kill everyone...i`d like to see the cruiser the cop might have thought the bike was going to hit him head on...look at video i know the cop knows how much damage a bike can do to a car he might of been saving his-her ass. He may have saved my wife and kids lives.....i`d be one pissed off m-f if the guy hit and killed my life over a freaking ticket and an impound. There has to some thing to have the cop hit this guy the cop knows his-her cam is on and the cop also knows that this bike hitting the cruiser could put him-her in the hospital or kill him also knows that hitting the guy and the bike could kill the guy on the bike, so unless the cop was just being a 10%er (Bad cop) then the guy on the bike must have done somthing pretty bad and NEEDED to be stopped so untill we know why it`s had the give opinions......fairly :jump OPERATION HOUND DOG HAS TO BE COMPLETED. :corn sup Dieyoung ....lets find out? *:vanish *

 

:iamwithst

:thumbup I agree, we don't know the whole story, maybe it's some psycho-killer. But let's see how far the thread goes.

:corn

:rock Wear your lid :fork

:boobies

:corn

 

I cant see it from work

 

From what I can see , it would appear that the bike hit the squad car and not the other way around. Notice as the squad car makes the right turn it's positioned across the through lanes. The motorcycle is oncoming and moves from the left turn lane into the oncoming lane countersteering around. His misjudgement or inablity to turn the bike caused him to clip the front quarter of the squad car.

At that point the choice to continue was in the hands of the rider. He could have avoided the crash by simply stopping. He chose not to and hit the patrol car.

Much like if I held a bat horizontally over the floor and you decide to run into the big end of it at a sprint. When the questions "Did I hit you ?" or " Did you run into a bat?" are posed ,only the silly will remain dumbfounded.

 

Much like if I held a bat horizontally over the floor and you decide to run into the big end of it at a sprint. When the questions "Did I hit you ?" or " Did you run into a bat?" are posed ,only the silly will remain dumbfounded.

lmao


the rider was wrong anyway you look at it. cop did nothing wrong IMO.

 

In my opinion, that collision was 90% inadvertent and 10% deliberate. To call it ramming is inaccurate.

 

well the vid shows the cop turning right but not in his lane!! the cop clearly goes in the on coming traffic lane then turning in ward! the camera cant turn with his head so clearly the cop knew where he was and thats y he did what he did to "catch" him!!!! i dont know if u noticed but there is some audio feed and imo if it was an accident maybe a ohhh crap burst or something not nothing!!! to me seems intentional for those reasons!!!! i think if a rider is going to endager his life so be it but the life of others i can see it okay to ram! mostly thats just a situation u have to use best judgement cause who says he might have killed someone in his process to escape even if he is wreckless but u killed him because u ramed him just in case he might take someone out!! imo i say back way off most times seems like the pressure usually gets to the rider and they make a bad mistake and crash or wrong route i say stay back let them ride it out!! i mean if im doing 130 and a squad car is right on my arse yea u bet im gonna go faster!!!!!!!!

 

Yes you are correct, the cruiser did intentionally stop in the oncoming lanes . Why? because just in case the flashing lights and the marked police car did'nt sink in deep enough a crown vic parked across two lanes should hammer home the point that his intent is to make you stop.

At any rate it's a million mile stretch to call this action a ramming.

As I've said , if you keep going during a pursuit you acknowledge any consequences of the action. The "ONLY" reason for the current trend of restrictions and policy limitations is litigation. If the criminals involved had 1/10th the money of the municipalities, this would'nt be an issue because the offenders would be sued. Laywers simply look for the deepest pockets involved.

If it was some guy who stole your bike or if the guy had broken into your house , you'd want the cops to run his ass slap over.

And before you start the "What if it's just a........" Remember..................Ted Bundy was captured on a routine traffic stop.

 

I think its GREAT!!!

I had my R6 stolen by some punk FOcker. About a week later they
found him riding it. So he ran like the coward focking theif that he was
and he was doin around 120mph down the freeway and somtimes going
against traffic at 120 mph. So the cop clipped him from behind on
purpose he crashed and they caught his ass!!!!!:nforc: :nforc:


I could care less if cops ram bikes that are running from them.
Im glad the thief that stole my bike got what was comming to him.
If you are dumb enough to run you get whatever happens to you..:bash

IMO

 

guy shouldnt of ran

but the officer wasnt stopped when the bike hit him

 

The cop rammed the bike? :dunno If I were the judge I see a stopped patrol car before the bike decided to ram the car to try and make it look like he was rammed. The biker is an idiot.

 

Heres my attitude.. I dont think Cops should be chasing bikers or cars.. If they dont stop within the first Minute,, they arent goin too,, and to chase them is just endangering yourself and all the other drivers.. No chase= no danger. You watch these cop shows and the cops are chasin drivers all through traffic, endagering everyone! If the cops dont give chase so much,, theres ALOT LESS chance of ANYONE gettin hurt. Yeah, people shouldnt run. But in my opinion, a cop givin chase is being JUST as careless and wreckless as the person he is chasing. just get the tag, and back off. Its all about EGO to these cops though.. they feel like they HAVE to catch em. therefore, they are caring only about themselves and how they look and how they can tell the story later about how noone can get away from them!

 

Heres my attitude.. I dont think Cops should be chasing bikers or cars.. If they dont stop within the first Minute,, they arent goin too,, and to chase them is just endangering yourself and all the other drivers.. No chase= no danger. You watch these cop shows and the cops are chasin drivers all through traffic, endagering everyone! If the cops dont give chase so much,, theres ALOT LESS chance of ANYONE gettin hurt. Yeah, people shouldnt run. But in my opinion, a cop givin chase is being JUST as careless and wreckless as the person he is chasing. just get the tag, and back off. Its all about EGO to these cops though.. they feel like they HAVE to catch em. therefore, they are caring only about themselves and how they look and how they can tell the story later about how noone can get away from them!

ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS THAT :stpd: ALLLLLLLL THE WAYYYYY ON THIS ONE.

OR THEY COULD JUST HAVE A HELOCPTER CHASE EM THEY PROBABLY WOULDENT EVEN KNOW THAT THEY ARE BEING FOLLOWED

 

^+1
More places are trying to develop policies along those lines. They're coming up with technology that can help, including gps tracking devices that can be attached to the fleeing suspects vehicle (ala 007, batman, etc.)

In the case at hand it looks like the cop was trying to cut the guy off, not ram him. He was probably trying to move into the other lane when he noticed he was going that route, of course as fast as the bike was moving he got there a little late.

On cops ramming bikes in general I think it's an unnecessary risk and would VERY seldom be justified. Most people who are rammed in cars can be hauled straight off to jail. You hit some guy going that fast on a bike and he's going to the ER or the morgue. Lethal force should only be used if the officer or another citizen's life is in danger, and there is no other way. Otherwise you're just executing the guy without trail.

 

It is a ramming, as the officer was not stopped. He stopped after he hit the biker. You can also see him pause facing left, then turn right and ram the biker almost head on. If he wanted to block traffic, he could have just swung in and blocked the road facing the direction he came to the road on. Not swing into oncoming traffic. Of course, we're only limited to the direction the camera is facing, not the whole scenario.

Beyond that, we don't know the reason for the chase nor the reason for the biker to flee. Is it justified? Again, don't know. Murder/violent crime? Definitely a yes.

 

It is a ramming, as the officer was not stopped. He stopped after he hit the biker. You can also see him pause facing left, then turn right and ram the biker almost head on. If he wanted to block traffic, he could have just swung in and blocked the road facing the direction he came to the road on. Not swing into oncoming traffic. Of course, we're only limited to the direction the camera is facing, not the whole scenario.

Beyond that, we don't know the reason for the chase nor the reason for the biker to flee. Is it justified? Again, don't know. Murder/violent crime? Definitely a yes.

I'm beside myself trying to figure out just what the heck you're trying to say here. If he wanted to block traffic it would'nt be blocking if he were'nt in the way. The point is to stop someone and not to wave as they pass you.

And the rest of you anarchists :lol it's quite obvious you people are proud products of the time out generation. There's simply not enough space for everyone to do as they please with impunity. Sorry , wish it could be that way but the sad truth is that it is'nt.

 

I was in law enforcement for 20 years so I am not new to this. What about the passenger? Did anyone die in this instance. I have no opinion either way as we do not have all of the facts. If the biker just commited a felony then it saves the taxpayers a bundle of money. If he was just scared and running he was still wrong by endangering the lives of people around him. But loss of life sucks, and to see it in such graffic detail is pretty unnerving.

 

Solidus,
I am a newbie here and I do not know you but IMO you rock buddy!

 

Since you already got your twenty , I'm scared of you because you might've already got that job I was eyeing at Walmart. :lol

Thanks man, I got just a couple more to go in this madness.

 

you shouldnt run ---- no matter what, so the asshole got what he deserved, wether the cop did it on purpose or not

 

Once again the punishment needs to fit the crime. You don't shoot someone for steeling five bucks, even if they do run. You shouldn't really be shooting at a murderer if they run unless they are an eminent risk. The purpose of the officer's power to is protect lives first subdue (not kill) the suspect second.

 

Good sketch skills Al. :crash

Although, I think your angles are a little off. Contact between bike and squad looked to be pretty much right at the front of the squad where the grille would be.

 

Just saw the vid and read the entire thread.
Different opinions are what make the world go 'round.
Mine is...you SHOULD shoot someone for $5 and you should shoot a murderer, that way less people would murder and less people would steel $5.
IF YOU DO BAD SHIT, THERE SHOULD BE REPROCUSSIONS!!!!
The major reason I "took it to the track" was because I got pulled over 3 times in a little over a week. If they had just let me go because "chasing might endanger others" I'ld probably still be endangering others by riding like an ass.

 

I don't think anyone is saying he should get off without repercussions. But, again taking a life for a property crime is not justified.

For example, in many other countries, thieves are severely punished. Some eastern countries do multiple lashes with a cane. I'm not talking a walking cane, I'm talking like a bamboo sword, whip, or being from the south, you should know what a "switch" is. Especially from a willow tree. Other countries, such as some middle-east ones, cut off their right hand. In their culture, the right hand is your "formal" hand. You shake hands, eat, etc. with it. You left hand is for wiping your ass with. If you don't have your right hand, you are forbidden from eating at the table with others and don't get to eat until everyone else is done (if there's food left). Turkey has a zero tolerance for drunk driving. If caught, you are decapitated. Some of these might be dated, but are still perfect examples of repercussions.

Again, property crime should not equate to death of the criminal. That is, unless such crime results in the death of another.

 

At a quick glance I would say not justified but too many unknowns. Was the guy a felon? Had he used the bike to assault an officer earlier in the chase? Was the LEO following local pursuit policy? That varies from what I have seen. That don't mean it is right though.

 

Imo the cop positioned to block, saw the bike going around then hit the gas to make sure to hit (or TAP) the bike. with whatever speed the bike was going probably couldn't adjust again (physics) and slammed into the car. Imo attempt murder.

 

you wouldn't try a pit move on a runaway go cart, why try stop a motorcycle (that has almost the same lack of protection) in a similar manner. they should come out with a different tactic for bikes. They're a different animal!!

 

Al, I didn't take it as it was stated to not take responsibility for your own actions. Hell, that's something I teach my son each and every time he messes up, as well as getting a friendly reminder from me every day.

The issue at hand is more along the lines of "does the punishment fit the crime?" Ramming and potentially killing someone for a property crime is not justified. However, if said motorcyclist committed a violent crime, then yes I could justify it.

Again, there's too many variables in this video we don't know.