you let off the throttle when your rear started slipping out? :shake

 

+1:no

 

I have always done so slowly and smoothly as long as I have ridden to get the front tire get a little bit more in front of the rear. It's insticntive for me.

 

Sorry to hear that mate. Would take some adjusting to that's for sure. I would have thought the traction would have just temporarily cut power to the rear wheel the moment it broke traction, possibly before you even felt it and saved the whole situation :dunno

I've herd before that you should practice "roll off's" as much as "roll on's". If you catch it early enough and it's very progressive a slightly roll off will save it, well in my experience anyway. But honestly I tend to crack it on a bit more purely out of habit from riding dirt for so long and that works for me. I can't do it on demand but I have a favorite corner where I can spin it up regularly on and I must say, generally my first reaction has never been to roll off but if you can feel it coming, a minute roll back in the throttle will stop it as opposed to keep winding it on.

Interesting indeed. I think you need to at least keep the power constant and let the traction sought things out. Traction backs power of and you cut power, that's asking for a high side as far as I know.

Edit: moral of the story.. Traction is shit and should be applied via the wrist flame away :lol

 

Edit: moral of the story.. Traction is shit and should be applied via the wrist flame away :lol

No flaming here brother, I've been riding conventional sport bikes for to long to get used to all the new technology. I like the feel of what I'm used to and have always ridden fairly well without all the extra electronics. By no means am I'm saying that I fast though.:hammer:

 

Me no likey traction control.... Especially at the bottom tier of the production line, as compared to pro racing interfaces and applications. Not knocking your bike bro, just stating my own personal preference. Good thing you were able to keep it upright and not go down!

I prefer my right wrist for the TC

 

He did go down

 

ebags: I would have thought the traction would have just temporarily cut power to the rear wheel the moment it broke traction, possibly before you even felt it and saved the whole situation

I was under the same impression. It didn't work that way.

 

New tires, 40 degrees, painted lines, an over application of throttle and a heart break. Sounds about right. It's TC, not magic.

 

Rusty, in a hurry, first liter bike, new OEM Dungflops, 40 degrees, painted lines, hamfisted throttle, and a highside. Sounds about right. It's TC, not magic.

:yesnod :stpd:

Stupid traction control.......:lol :hammer:

 

Sorry Meister if I was unclear with the last post. I was under the impression that traction control removed power from the wheels that slipped. I don't think it worked that way. This is why I started the thread. To let other people who ride the same bike know it.

I didn't mean to say that I thought I could just juice the throttle with cold tires and somehow they would grip the pavement because I had traction control and it would make everything ok.

 

You were pretty clear. What you are missing is that the bike was going slow enough that I doubt the TC was even active. You have nothing to be sorry about, you've done nothing wrong. The TC can't evaluate road conditions or gyro input. It didn't even know you were sliding sideways. If it had cut in, the same outcome would have happened. I think you are unjustly blaming it on the TC when that's not the reason for the crash.

Think about it for a second, someone takes off from a stoplight in the rain and it slide sideways a little, then the TC cuts in. To the moon with the rider! I'm willing to bet there is a speed restriction on the TC.

 

Originally Posted by Meister37: . I think you are unjustly blaming it on the TC when that's not the reason for the crash.

Think about it for a second, someone takes off from a stoplight in the rain and it slide sideways a little, then the TC cuts in. To the moon with the rider! I'm willing to bet there is a speed restriction on the TC.

I'll admit that this is a possibility. Neither of us really know for sure as we don't have the information about the system and right now this is just speculation. I also think it would be smart design if they had something in to prevent it from engaging when the bike is going sideways.

 

I can't comment for the r1 but on the ZX-10 its there from the get go.

What you mentioned at a set of lights in the wet won't happen because it will catch it before you end up sideways. I've been present while the rear end is placeed on grass, front wheel on bitumen hold front brake and go WOT as if you were smoking the rear with full traction on. Rear wheel barely moved 1/8". Stupid test but hey TC worked in that "test".

Anyway I hate the stuff, I like to be in control. Looks as though soon I won't haw a choice though if I ever upgrade. Thank god you can switch all that crap off.

 

That's why I will never sell my 06, even if I put enough miles on the bike to where I need to rebuild the engine. At 55 I think the bike will outlast me though, LOL.:snorkel

 

Originally Posted by ebags: I can't comment for the r1 but on the ZX-10 its there from the get go.

Kind of makes sense to me that it would be this way. That way it would help with anti wheelie from the starting position.

 

I think for it to work at it's full potential you need to dumb down your own skills and decrease your inputs. If you feel a slip or bit of spin, trust the TC, keep doing what your doing and let it deal with it. If the TC backs off the pace and you back off the pace, bike unsettles etc etc and bad things happen.

It's harder to unlearn than learn, so good luck with it :lol

How many settings on the TC? I know my mate runs his at 2 most of the time ( 0 being nothing ) and that allows the rear to spin/slide a little so it feels more natural and not so invasive.

 

6 settings + off. It comes set from the factory at 6.

 

40* ish temps - paint - turn-new fresh tires - new bike 2012 R1 lots of low torque! Probably a little fat with the throttle! Probably No traction control in the world would have prevented it! Just a good day to have stayed home. It Happens! What I would have tried and it probably wouldn't have worked either would have been to stand the bike back up if possible, Steer into the slide a little!while maintaining throttle!

 

Hindsight 20:20 the thought had occoured to me at this point that that would have been the thing to do.

 

Didn't mean to bash man! But shit happens when you have this much power it is a big job putting it down to the ground without loosing it! And the cold new Crappy tires didn't help you at all!

 

Sorry to hear about your mishap.

My opinion on TC (I have Bazzaz, so it's different I believe) is everyone that has it should have a very firm understanding on how it works, when it kicks in etc.

It doesn't correct silly mistakes (no offense OP) and it's not a cure all for all situations.

 

Did you have the clutch fully engaged? If not I don't think tc can work fully as engine speed and wheel speed aren't the same.

That whole thing just sounded bad from the get go


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Originally posted by Stonewall: Didn't mean to bash man!

No worries I didn't take it that way.

Merely smiling at the fact that you quickly realized exactly what I know now that I should have done at the time.

 

Not sure if the clutch lever was FULLY out but it was out enough that I don't think the engine would have slipped at all.

 

I slide my bike more often then most, as long as you don't chop throttle it's usually pretty easy to save it. That being said, not letting off quickly enough can also get you in trouble, which sounds like what happened to you.

 

they haul ass all the time in the rain on TV:dunno

 

Well Not ALL the time!:scared they have a lot of wrecks also.

 

i actually did the same thing on mine, brand new tire wet roads and cold, luckily my motovation frame and clutch sliders saved everything and no damage to the bike at all. but a couple new pucks are way cheaper than oem plastics. sorry about the anniversary edition.

 

To me tc is nothing more than a few tenths on the track. I'd turn it off and leave it off. I guess I'm a snob because I don't want it on my bike. Just don't have the need.

 

I just re read this and this was the maiden voyage? Zero miles! That really sucks.

 

Should've pulled the clutch in, bike would have came back in line. With new tires and cold slick conditions your technique had no chance at all of saving you.:no

 

He would have High sided If he pulled the clutch in!; as he did any way!

 

He should of feathered the clutch to reduce spin, it's always worked for me, wet or dry....but then again, I've got no experience with electronic traction control. :dunno

 

From the sound of it, Just making a slow left turn It wouldn't be like being on the track at high speed, But just a sudden jump out, I dont think I would have been able to feather the clutch in time to have saved it in that situation. Might IDK. I would have turned the front wheel into the slide to get it running in front again and then maintain the throttle or a slight increase if it acted like it had stopped spinning