Good info!!

 

Bah! I want to see it before I believe it. The numbers from manyfacturers are sometimes a little creative

 

Your taking "claimed" as fact? :bash

 

Dude, remember the 1999 Yamaha R6 press releases? Everyone was blowin' sea-monkeys in their drawers over claims of 120 bhp from a 600 cc engine. When put to the dynos, the thing barely spat out 95 bhp at the rear wheel. Given a similar fudge-factor, I say we're looking at 148, or so, at the rear wheel. I'll be plenty surprised if the thing breaks 150.

 

Dude, remember the 1999 Yamaha R6 press releases? Everyone was blowin' sea-monkeys in their drawers over claims of 120 bhp from a 600 cc engine. When put to the dynos, the thing barely spat out 95 bhp at the rear wheel. Given a similar fudge-factor, I say we're looking at 148, or so, at the rear wheel. I'll be plenty surprised if the thing breaks 150.

Manufactures don't lie :lol ...... thanks for trying to rain on the parade man.

 

You are all correct about manufacturer numbers. Yamaha has under-rated this motor by 5-10hp. This was done for the competition.

 

under-rated? so your saying it has 185-190 bhp? me no understand...

 

Give it 180 @ the crank, take 20% off that for the lag and other bullsh!t taking power away like, gearbox,chain, rear wheel, barrings etc, etc and your still looking at something that's 150-160ish and that friends is WSB power figures on the street, that mixed with the styling and I don't need another bike, ever.

 

Give it 180 @ the crank, take 20% off that for the lag and other bullsh!t taking power away like, gearbox,chain, rear wheel, barrings etc, etc and your still looking at something that's 150-160ish and that friends is WSB power figures on the street, that mixed with the styling and I don't need another bike, ever.

Yeah thats if you add in the ram air...

my 1k dyno 151 on the dyno add in the ram air and what am I at 159 160????

I would think that the yamaha is going to be a few hp up on the 03 1k... right?

 

You are all correct about manufacturer numbers. Yamaha has under-rated this motor by 5-10hp. This was done for the competition.

Are you kidding me? Come on. Plus, they almost never have facility to take the ram-air effect into account when they dyno motorcycles in Cycle World, Sport Rider and Motorcyclist. The thing will be lucky to piddle out a buck fifty or so. Nothing to shit your pants over. It's the Kawi that I'm worried about. If anyone's ambushing, it's the boys in green.

 

Give it 180 @ the crank, take 20% off that for the lag and other bullsh!t taking power away like, gearbox,chain, rear wheel, barrings etc, etc and your still looking at something that's 150-160ish and that friends is WSB power figures on the street, that mixed with the styling and I don't need another bike, ever.

It's NOT at the crank!! BHP means at the wheel!! Ya know...Brake Horsey Power

It'll take years for Geeeeeeeee1K to play catch up!!! :finger

 

No way it's gonna be 180 at the wheel. I believe around 150 at the wheel.

 

if the new R1 has 180 at the rear wheel I'll eat my leathers...... I'd agree with others and say that rwhp will be between 150 and 160. Which is still astounding and very very fast.

 

Give your head a shake! 180 hp is at the crank, I will bet my soon to be 04 R1 on that. Later...

 

Give your head a shake! 180 hp is at the crank, I will bet my soon to be 04 R1 on that. Later...

I did as soon as I read the quote I put in the first post. Even provided the link to you doubters...:finger

I do remember when there was an uproar about the 120HP of the R6...BUT now they are explicitly saying it is 180 BHP. It's not an improvement of our current engine...it's a brand spankin new one...ya know...from scratch

 

It's NOT at the crank!! BHP means at the wheel!! Ya know...Brake Horsey Power

It'll take years for Geeeeeeeee1K to play catch up!!! :finger

BHP is brake horse power at the engine or the rear wheel as I understand it. It depends whether you measure it on an engine dyno or a chassis dyno. The 180 claimed is measured on an engine dyno. RWHP is rear wheel horsepower which is less. BHP can be the same as RWHP if they are both measured on a chassis dyno taken from the rear wheel.

 

"Brake" horsepower isn't where you measure it (crankshaft, rear wheel) it's how you measure it. The term brake is used because they actually use a brake to absorb the power. Most dynos are either a water brake or an electric brake.

Besides, Yamaha is going to give you the most impressive sounding (highest) number which is always crankshaft.

I just hope it's more than the other bikes...

 

"Brake" horsepower isn't where you measure it (crankshaft, rear wheel) it's how you measure it. The term brake is used because they actually use a brake to absorb the power. Most dynos are either a water brake or an electric brake.

Besides, Yamaha is going to give you the most impressive sounding (highest) number which is always crankshaft.

I just hope it's more than the other bikes...

I know that. I was just saying you can measure brake HP at the engine as on an engine dyno or at the rear wheel as on a chassis dyno.

 

Since when you guys get antsy-pantsy over crankshaft hp figures?

:lol

 

Hey Martin, could you do me a favour and have a look at my reply in mechanical re clutch questions? Thanks.

 

I know that. I was just saying you can measure brake HP at the engine as on an engine dyno or at the rear wheel as on a chassis dyno.

Oh, well in that case, I completely agree!

 

It's NOT at the crank!! BHP means at the wheel!!

Where did you learn this?

 

It's NOT at the crank!! BHP means at the wheel!! Ya know...Brake Horsey Power

It'll take years for Geeeeeeeee1K to play catch up!!! :finger

If that's the case IT IS BULLSHIT!

 

Who cares at this point? Just wait and see and even if it is 150BHP thats plenty to get any of your asses down the highway.:yesnod

 

There are a couple of ways to measure horsepower, Europe uses BHP Australia use Horsepower SAE, and in Japan they talk in PS RWHP is what you're talking about in this here thread and 180 at the road is CRAP! Sorry, dudes, the R1 is the hookers hangbag but she's no be all and end all. It's got big horsepower no doubt, but come on now, lets come back to earth.