Actually, I already have. He's 12 now and I promised him that if he keeps his grades up, he can have my 04 R1 on his 16th birthday. I never break my promises and he knows it.

After reading the post "IF Your California Plate# Is 5AIE921", I am positive I made the right decision.

Members in this forum who recommend that new riders start on a 600 because an R1 has too much power are idiots. Even a 250cc bike has all the power you need to kill yourself in a heartbeat.

Many riders-to-be are reading this forum. It's about time we started talking about staying alive on the street instead of talking about how we can handle an R1 and they can't...

jack

:lol Interested in adopting a prior 4.0 student?

 

well, comparing a 250cc to an r1 is like comparing a fire cracker to a Titan Missile. Best of luck to the young rider.

 

well, comparing a 250cc to an r1 is like comparing a fire cracker to a Titan Missile. Best of luck to the young rider.

A Ninja 250 goes over 100 mph. So just how fast does a young rider need to go to kill themselves?...

jack

 

I learned to ride on a modded GS1100E. I know the R1 is a lot more power than that but it was more than enough to get oneself killed on. I really believe maturity and dedication to learning proper skills are more important than starting small.

Plus, if you make a bad judgement call and pull out in front of a vehicle doing 60mph, would you rather have the power of a 250cc or a 1000cc to get you out of his way?

---Chris

 

lol

I'm 16... I have a 3.9... Can I come live with you? PLZZZZ

 

Blah blah blah......blah

 

I can vouch for jack. I mean I didnt even know how to ride a bike when i joined this forum. I bought my first bike (the RS250) and learn on it about 5 months ago. And then about 2 months later I bought a 750R. I tell you it's not much difference, all you need to do is ride reponsibly. I ride slow and steady.

Believe it or not I actually lost 3 of my riding buddies on highways and they all are more experienced than me. One guy actually have been riding for more than 12 years. All I can say is he got carried away at one bend and hit the construction boulders. Died on the spot. this happened about 5 weeks ago. It sucks and I feel sorry, but it was all his fault.

All you need is self control. My RS250 is about as powerfull as my 750 mind you. 145kg with 70bhp it actually boast a better power to weight ratio than my YZF750R.

 

I learned to ride on a modded GS1100E. I know the R1 is a lot more power than that but it was more than enough to get oneself killed on. I really believe maturity and dedication to learning proper skills are more important than starting small.

Plus, if you make a bad judgement call and pull out in front of a vehicle doing 60mph, would you rather have the power of a 250cc or a 1000cc to get you out of his way?

---Chris

:iamwithst

 

Yep, I'm with Eyespy on this one. :iamwithst

:corn

-Ides

 

May i ask how old you are? Its not that he cant kill himself on a 250 its how quickly. Lets face it a 16 yr old with NO driving experiance does not need to be on a R1 thats IMO. He cant get introuble as quickly with it if he was on a 250. I am not saying he will wreck it but its much more likly. Hes going to want to show off to his friends and stuff and most 16 yr olds are not responsible enough with cars much less super sport bikes. With the stats of teen wrecks and cars i would say his chances of getting into an accident with a motorcycle are 4x that. If he had driving experiance i would not say anything. 1yr driving with daddy at age 15 does not help him much especially when hes on a 145hp motorcycle. Good luck

 

IMO power won't get you away from a car going 60. Sensibility, & going chill where there are places/driveway for a cage to pull out while going 60 will probably do more the a 750cc displacement gain....As for the "IF Your California Plate# Is 5AIE921" thread. Dood was probably going 50-60, really who knows. But by the school zone pics- and then you consider the basic speed law we have here in Cali the kid (RIP) and any other who is flying around like that is playing an odds game, and he lost. To the dad who is getting his kid a bike... If he is instilling a sense of seriousness of what can go down Junior will be fine. I liken bikes (to a degree) like a fire arm. Respect, first and then technique. Fire that shit off blindly and one of those bullets could land back on you or someone else.... and I wish my dad was that cool-

 

I believe jack is about 40 something...

 

i guess he has to be kidding i just read the plate post after i posted here

 

I think what people are saying about not getting an R1 as a first bike is not so much about the speed but about the power. Sure a ninja 250 can go 100 but it takes alot more time to do it. First gear on a R1 can go over 100 already!? The power of an R1 is alot less forgiving than the 250. All your points are valid. I say it all comes down to the individual, when the time comes you are the judge. :hellobye

 

you should get him an ounce of cocaine, some heroin, a riced-up skyline GTR, and an uzi as well... after all, he's totally responsible !!

 

May i ask how old you are? Its not that he cant kill himself on a 250 its how quickly. Lets face it a 16 yr old with NO driving experiance does not need to be on a R1 thats IMO. He cant get introuble as quickly with it if he was on a 250. I am not saying he will wreck it but its much more likly. Hes going to want to show off to his friends and stuff and most 16 yr olds are not responsible enough with cars much less super sport bikes. With the stats of teen wrecks and cars i would say his chances of getting into an accident with a motorcycle are 4x that. If he had driving experiance i would not say anything. 1yr driving with daddy at age 15 does not help him much especially when hes on a 145hp motorcycle. Good luck

I'm 45. A kid can kill himself on a 250 just as fast as he can on a R1.

Here is some more information about my 12-year-old son:

1. He's been riding on the back of my bikes since he was 8. We've riden all over California and Mexico together. Between dropping him off at school and visiting his mother on weekends, he logs about 200 miles a week on the back of my bikes.

2. He has been riding dirtbikes since he was 9. He shows good judgement on the track and doesn't ride over his head, even if his friends are going faster.

3. I sometimes take him to bike nights on Wednesday nights where he has seen his share of crashing by idiots who think they know how to ride.

4. He has been exposed to many situations where my riding skill and experience in predicting what is going to happen has saved our lives. He knows that riding is very serious business. He loves to ride on the back of my R1.

Anyway, when he turns 16, I'm not going to just throw him the keys and say bye. I'm going to get an 08 R1 and go riding with him!...

jack

 

:iamwithst :iamwithst :iamwithst
WTF, Im still askn myself why I opened this thread


Im throwing the :bs


BTW Im so glad this is such useful information to everyone here

 

This thread isn't serious, right? :fact

I mean, I misread the sign, right? :dunno

Was the previous thread about the 16 year old boy not enough? :dunno

I have to give credit for how long the 12 year old has been riding on the back of his dad's bike though. It was like eight years or something. I know that's a great qualifier for riding an R1. :no

:scared

 

good, i love darwinism

 

My RS250 is about as powerfull as my 750 mind you. 145kg with 70bhp it actually boast a better power to weight ratio than my YZF750R.

Uuhm, plz don't forget, throttle is at the right side My YZF750 accelerates twice as fast as your old RS250 even when i launch it from the line in 4h and you in 1st.
There is no comparison, the RS250 ist a fart against a 750cc Superbike although it might be 50kg leighter.
If you are expierienced enough you can even handle the One till 100 with the 750 :bash
A YZF750 perhaps loses 2 secs on the R1 until it hits 120mph, the RS250 perhaps doesn't even reach 120

BTW:

YZF 750: 125HP/196kg = 0,64 HP/kg
RS 250: 70HP/145kg = 0,48 HP/kg

and i didn't even mention the torque difference :finger

 

Well at least you will have had him for 16 years if nothing else...

You are a fool in my opinion.

You having owned a powerfull bike MUST know the trouble you can get into with a machine that will spin the rear wheel out of a corner and highside your ass at way over 100mph, try doing that on a 250, or will come up and flip at way over 100mph try doing that on a 250 or will accelerate to such high speeds that you have bever before experienced and have no idea how to control or how long it's gonna take you to stop, try doing that on a 250...

Take a long look at what you are promising your kid and ask yourself how you would explain to his ma that you did make a mistake and you should have built his experience up before giving him a bike with 180BHP that will do close to 190mph in just a few seconds.

We all know that speed kills and you saying that you can kill yourself on a 250 is irelevant, so that makes it ok to risk so much more.

You could prolly kill your self on a mountain bike if your rode it at full speed into a brick wall.

Think about it.

 

I don't think that when I was 16 I would have been mature enough to own a R1.

If my Parents would have given me a R1 when I turned 16 they would have been purchasing a coffin shortly thereafter.

:yesnod

 

Well at least you will have had him for 16 years if nothing else...

You are a fool in my opinion.

You having owned a powerfull bike MUST know the trouble you can get into with a machine that will spin the rear wheel out of a corner and highside your ass at way over 100mph, try doing that on a 250, or will come up and flip at way over 100mph try doing that on a 250 or will accelerate to such high speeds that you have bever before experienced and have no idea how to control or how long it's gonna take you to stop, try doing that on a 250...

Take a long look at what you are promising your kid and ask yourself how you would explain to his ma that you did make a mistake and you should have built his experience up before giving him a bike with 180BHP that will do close to 190mph in just a few seconds.

We all know that speed kills and you saying that you can kill yourself on a 250 is irelevant, so that makes it ok to risk so much more.

You could prolly kill your self on a mountain bike if your rode it at full speed into a brick wall.

Think about it.

:iamwithst :iamwithst :iamwithst :iamwithst

Well said brother!

 

Most fellow riders/fathers wouldn't allow his kid to be going to ride at all. You do the exact opposite and give him one of the fastest crotchrockets available.
Quite weird but i guess you know that by now :2bitchsla
But how about getting him a dirtbike in the meanwhile so he at least can learn how to shift? :lol

Oh yea ..

 

:iamwithst
3 Years minimum dirt bike experience should be mandatory !