Sbu

 

A dyno tuner. There is no such thing as one map for all. And a dealer probably wont flash a custom/aftermarket map. Might want to ask them before you get all your ducks in a row

 

As for fuel mapping, AutoTuner = real world tuning with ram air. :fact

And your bike will pop regardless.

Edit: Let me correct myself. A Dyno tuner will get the best tune. Then fine tune with an AutoTuner.

 

Bauce racing, Anthony uses FT ECU like SBU, difference is he will do a complete customization of what you want in addition to custom fuel and ignition mapping. customize engine breaking to your personal liking ( for example heavily reduced at high RPM and slightly reduced at lower RPMs) VS. SBU, FT ECU, and Graves maps. He will also customize PWR modes to your personal liking. Check out Bauce racing.com. I believe he's the only one offering a mail in flash service with custom PWR mode, and Engine Braking settings specific to your liking.

 

Thx fellas. I appreciate the help!

 

Okay, cut me some slack as I'm ignorant when it comes to this stuff. Never done a power commander/flash/tune on any of my sportbikes. This is the first sportbike where the gains are outlandish, so I'd feel like a fool not to take advantage of it. But like I said, I'm ignorant.

The gold star master tech and I have some close mutual friends, so I'm sure he'd allow me to tune the ecu and drop it back in, but it seems moot if I need to put it on a dyno for the best results.

What steps do I need to take, and what parts do I need to pick up? There is a dyno tuning place in the city I live. Do I trust them to give me a comparable baseline as SBU would offer? Or do I get an SBU flash, get it dyno'd at my local dyno for fine tuning, then slap a Power Commander V on it?

What are the best steps to take?

 

If you're using the bike for mostly street, get the SBU flash and fine tune with AutoTune.

 

Street only until I'm using 90%+ of my 600's capability at the track.

So to get the autotune done, I'd have to pick up a power commander, right?

 

Okay, did a little digging and verified that for autotune, I need a PCV.

So....
1) Send ECU in for flash
2) Install ECU with PCV & AutoTune
3) Have it dyno tuned for finite adjustments

Is that wrong, or spot on?

Thanks for your help!

 

Yes.

If you decide to have a fuel map flashed in the ECU while being flashed by SBU, then you will need to start with a zero map in the PCV before you start AutoTuning.

 

I really like how the Bazzaz logs the AFR, versus changing the fueling constantly to achieve desired AFR like the PCV's autotune does. Can the Autotune just log the AFR like the Bazzaz ?

 

No and you might be right about Bazzaz being better. I just know that I was able to accomplish a smooth feeling tune with PCV and AutoTune.

 

Not sure its better, just different ways to accomplishing the same thing, a smooth running tune.

 

It does tune live on the fly but once an ajustment is made for a specific bin, it does not adjust anymore until the trims are accepted.

With an AutoTune switch, you can turn off AutoTune the tune will revert back to the tune that was loaded into the PCV prior to the adjustments made.

This acts like a map switch.

 

So if I run with the Bazzaz, will the bike still need to go on the dyno?

 

No you wont need a dyno tune with either the Bazzaz or the PC. One2 is referring to how the system utilizes the custom maps that each system builds. I have installed both systems several times at my Sportbike Shop and I'm of the very strong opinion that when installed CORRECTLY, the Bazzaz is easier to learn, use, and is much more reliable (and total price is less). I have had the PC units often lose their map, leaving the bike in "safe" mode until the map is reloaded.

That being said, a cool aspect of Dynojet (PCV) is that their tech support can take your laptop captive wherever you live as long as you have wifi and while its plugged into your bike they actually look at your setup and make live changes on the spot. Of course with the Bazzaz setup I never needed tech support so I dont even know if they offer that feature.

 

Great info!

So by "correctly", what can one do to make sure it's done correctly?

There's only a PC dealer in my area. That means I'd have to tackle the Bazzaz installation and tuning myself.

Do you foresee any issues with someone installing it and learning it on their own?

 

Yep. I have a map for every gear with PCV. My cruise range is very smooth and the shifting is also very smooth.