[Tad158]

Could fix it....could need extra tuning to solve it....:dunno

What do you mean others?

 

[Scuuuba_Steve]

Hey Tad,

I'm about to buy the FTECU Flash kit for my 2014. I downloaded the software to check it out and I found your FTECU maps. I had a couple questions, and I really don't want to read through 500+ pages of this thread.

If I import a PCV fuel map to the ECU maps that you created, where does it go after I import it? Where can I see it? Also, the maps that you created, I know they're for track, but is it okay for street use? Is there anything that I should change or mess with? I get most of the simple stuff, I guess I'm just confused about all the different maps. My bike right now is running lean with the Coffman's shorty exhaust and K&N filter.

 

[Tad158]

Those PCV fuel maps are only fuel trims. They are also based around stock ignition timing. So they will not work well with my ignition timing maps.

I would try my image as is. Then you could go to a stock timing map + PCV fuel map

 

[Scuuuba_Steve]

Those PCV fuel maps are only fuel trims. They are also based around stock ignition timing. So they will not work well with my ignition timing maps.

I would try my image as is. Then you could go to a stock timing map + PCV fuel map

Will do. Can you explain how the ignition timing maps work? I somewhat have an idea, but if you could clarify.

 

[Tad158]

It is timing, so it is units of degrees before top dead center for cylinder #1. If you change the timing, you change how well the combustion takes place, by either giving it the right mount of time to burn, too much time, or too little....

 

[Scuuuba_Steve]

If I have a PC5 and AT, can I run your map or would that not work out too well? Would you suggest I just run a stock ft ecu map?

 

[Tad158]

My image plus PCV+AT would work great. Start with a zero map in the PCV, and set up the AFR targets. Then go out and rude the bike.

Then if you want to pass me the data from the PCV trim results. I can work them back into the image, and you can repeat until you are happy with it.

That is probably your best plan with that non-3/4 style exhaust.

 

[Scuuuba_Steve]

My image plus PCV+AT would work great. Start with a zero map in the PCV, and set up the AFR targets. Then go out and rude the bike.

Then if you want to pass me the data from the PCV trim results. I can work them back into the image, and you can repeat until you are happy with it.

That is probably your best plan with that non-3/4 style exhaust.

Dope! Would it be best to get it all set up to the best AFR first, or do I only need to run it once and then send you the map?

 

[Tad158]

You will need to let AT do it's thing for some time, and you will have to go into the PCV and accept trims on a regular basis.

There is a whole thread on that.

Ask One2 or bacchus40....they have the knowledge on the PCV+AT tuning side of things.... I have never actually sat down and used a PCV on purpose....

 

[Scuuuba_Steve]

You will need to let AT do it's thing for some time, and you will have to go into the PCV and accept trims on a regular basis.

There is a whole thread on that.

Ask One2 or bacchus40....they have the knowledge on the PCV+AT tuning side of things.... I have never actually sat down and used a PCV on purpose....

Got it. One2 has been helping me out with the PCV and AT. I'll hit you up once I am happy with my tune and ready for the flashtune. Appreciate your help.

 

[Tad158]

Ohhhh!.....Wait....if you currently have the stock image in your ecu, then you will not be able to load them into my image. You need to have my image in the ECU first....so that you can take advantage of all the things I have done for driveability. Then tune with the PCV....
1) flash my image
2) tune....lots of tuning...
3) feed those tunes back into the ECU image
4) flash the newly updated image
5) go back to step 2 repeating until trims are small and going +/- after each round.

 

[Scuuuba_Steve]

Ohhhh!.....Wait....if you currently have the stock image in your ecu, then you will not be able to load them into my image. You need to have my image in the ECU first....so that you can take advantage of all the things I have done for driveability. Then tune with the PCV....
1) flash my image
2) tune....lots of tuning...
3) feed those tunes back into the ECU image
4) flash the newly updated image
5) go back to step 2 repeating until trims are small and going +/- after each round.

Oooh, so I would start with the flash. Then, every time I re-tune the PCV, I would import the map to the image that you created? Would I just do that by importing the PCV map each time I re-tune?

 

[Tad158]

It might only take 2 or three loads into the ECU depending on what you have already explored, vs covering new area in the fuel map. to make it happy. At some level you only need one flash....and do everything in the PCV like One2 did....that works fine too....

I wanted to work them into the ECU image so we could give it out for people with your exhaust.:dunno....

For example, I would do ~4 track days piling up data before I would make trims. The last one was after 8 days, and I had only tiny changes to make, because the engine was finally running happy in almost all of the usable area of the map. The only other reason I would flash changes in right away, is if I found an annoying flat spot, then I would do it between single days at the track....but that only happened once at the beginning, and I don't have an AT setup...so I have to log data, then find out what the trims are then flash it back in to make a change....your AT will fix it as you ride...

You want too do a BUNCH of tuning before you load it into the ECU.

Make sense?

 

[Scuuuba_Steve]

It might only take 2 or three loads into the ECU depending on what you have already explored, vs covering new area in the fuel map. to make it happy. At some level you only need one flash....and do everything in the PCV like One2 did....that works fine too....

I wanted to work them into the ECU image so we could give it out for people with your exhaust.:dunno....

For example, I would do ~4 track days piling up data before I would make trims. The last one was after 8 days, and I had only tiny changes to make, because the engine was finally running happy in almost all of the usable area of the map.

You want too do a BUNCH of tuning before you load it into the ECU.

Make sense?

Yes, that makes sense, but I have not completely installed the AT yet so I'm running on a prebuilt fuel map (most likely inaccurate) on my PCV. So, do you recommend I tune the PCV to an accurate AFR first with the AT, or should I flash my ecu using your ecu image and then tune the PCV based on the image that you created? Not sure if it makes a difference.

 

[Scuuuba_Steve]

Actually, nevermind sorry. I didn't read everything you wrote! My bad. I only need one flash with your map and then I would tune the PCV normally. Thanks for dumbing everything down for me, lol.

 

[Scuuuba_Steve]

When I have everything tuned properly, I'll send you the PCV fuel maps if you want to include them for people with my setup.

Currently, do you only have that one setup for 3/4 exhaust systems?

 

[Tad158]

:thumbup

I have it setup for my bike (you can skim though the build thread for more specifics). Airbox mod, stock filter, 3/4 system. That is what I posted in the F-T map share, and it is called out the release notes.

One of these weekends, I will be putting new spark plugs in the bike and some other goodies, and we will see what that does to the AFRs....but I think it will be small....if anything it will probably just make the AFRs more consistent...but I have 12 track days coming up starting in April to September to figure all that out....:jump

 

[Scuuuba_Steve]

:thumbup

I have it setup for my bike (you can skim though the build thread for more specifics). Airbox mod, stock filter, 3/4 system. That is what I posted in the F-T map share, and it is called out the release notes.

One of these weekends, I will be putting new spark plugs in the bike and some other goodies, and we will see what that does to the AFRs....but I think it will be small....if anything it will probably just make the AFRs more consistent...but I have 12 track days coming up starting in April to September to figure all that out....:jump

That's dope. I feel like everyone running your image should contribute their maps. That would be a crazy file share. So, your ecu image, among other things, basically tunes the ignition timing on any 09-14 R1? What tools did you use to do that? AFR seems difficult enough to tune without a PCV and AT.

 

[Tad158]

It is a complete tune for the 3/4 system, timing, fuel, throttle, stacks....

 

[HiroboFreak]

Looks like F-T has pushed out an update. 2.3.4.4

Has anyone checked if the YCCT map bug has been fixed?