nope(99% sure)

 

No, it isn't

 

The dealership that has not gone to tech class can't tell me if the stck damper is adjustable or not. If it was adjusted from the factory it ain't gonna do me any good. Any info from you lucky owners would be helpful.

It's not user adjustable but it is speed sensitive as to the amt of force when the forks move . Slow speed stuff may make it wiggle slightly but the harder the impact the greater it dampens . I haven't had any reason to doubt its ability yet and think it works perfectly .

 

so its a visual thing... "this is where you bolt a real damper".

 

I think the steering damper works great. I don't notice any high speed wobble and the bike handles great. I have an adjustable one on my Duc, but once I set it, I never really mess with it. So in my opinion, the stock one works great.

 

If its not adj. they wasted their time putting in on in my opinion.

 

try it you may be surprised

 

nope(99% sure)

:iamwithst

 

If its not adj. they wasted their time putting in on in my opinion.

It is adjustable ...just not User adjustable :lol

Each type has its benefits . I prefer the factory one instead of one that is user adjustable and works at that one setting no matter the circumstances . Over 1k of hard riding on the factory one so far and it works . Easy to steer at low speeds yet you know it is working when it needs to .

 

It's not adjustable because they don't want you screwing it up. It's already designed to be speed sensitive and it seems to work quite well. I did manage get one very small wiggle out of the bars yesterday but it was totally uneventful and the damper worked great.

 

A year or two ago everyone is crying around here. "why doesnt yamaha give us a damper and ram air like suzuki does..." now its there and everything throws it away...:lol what did you expect, an ohlins damper stock?

 

No crying from me. I like it and it works.

 

My initial riding impression with the 04 is that the stock damper works great. I had no hint of headshake or any high speed instability at all. And other than the absence of any shake or instability, the presence of the damper is transparent.

 

no to be a dick or anything, but all dampers that use oil and orifice type control would technically be "speed sensitive"

If you remember from high school science class (yes know its a long time ago) if you try to compress a fluid through an opening it will actually resist that compression. The more force you apply, the more it resists.....
However, the larger the orifice, the less it resists.
hence it is technically speed sensitive
therefore what you have in and "adjustable" damper is the ability to control that reaction, whereas the stock one is set at a particular range.
Personally, i'd bet that the stock one is perfectly suitable for all but the most aggressive track riding.

Where's Chuck when you need him..................

 

no to be a dick or anything, but all dampers that use oil and orifice type control would technically be "speed sensitive"

If you remember from high school science class (yes know its a long time ago) if you try to compress a fluid through an opening it will actually resist that compression. The more force you apply, the more it resists.....
However, the larger the orifice, the less it resists.
hence it is technically speed sensitive
therefore what you have in and "adjustable" damper is the ability to control that reaction, whereas the stock one is set at a particular range.
Personally, i'd bet that the stock one is perfectly suitable for all but the most aggressive track riding.

Where's Chuck when you need him..................

Makes perfect sense to me Budha. Good way to explain it. I was picturing the inside of the damper as I read your response.:thumbup

 

If you don't like the stock damper take it off and see what happens over ruff pavement. I'll bet you put it back on in a hurry. Or you could spend $500 for a adjustable one that will remain at one setting for 99% of the time. Duh!!!

 

The stock damper saved my butt when someone ran into my left rear quarter at Jennings. He tried to go underneath me. The guy bounced off of me and his bike went cartwheeling. My R1 went crazy whipping around but the damper immediately bought it under control. I guarantee the damper works great.

 

no to be a dick or anything, but all dampers that use oil and orifice type control would technically be "speed sensitive"

If you remember from high school science class (yes know its a long time ago) if you try to compress a fluid through an opening it will actually resist that compression. The more force you apply, the more it resists.....
However, the larger the orifice, the less it resists.
hence it is technically speed sensitive
therefore what you have in and "adjustable" damper is the ability to control that reaction, whereas the stock one is set at a particular range.
Personally, i'd bet that the stock one is perfectly suitable for all but the most aggressive track riding.

Where's Chuck when you need him..................

:iamwithst

ITS A DAMPER NOT A DAMPNER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Many may not be aware of this, but the 2004 R1 steering damper has a feature that inhibits/limits dampening at low-to-moderate speeds via a check ball inside the damper that restricts flow only when sudden-to-violate thrust movements are detected (i.e. headshake); similar, yet far simpler than Honda’s “HESS”.

This would explain why many have found the factory equipped damper to be quite adequate for typical usage.

Thanks!

 

Many may not be aware of this, but the 2004 R1 steering damper has a feature that inhibits/limits dampening at low-to-moderate speeds via a check ball inside the damper that restricts flow only when sudden-to-violate thrust movements are detected (i.e. headshake); similar, yet far simpler than Honda’s “HESS”.

This would explain why many have found the factory equipped damper to be quite adequate for typical usage.

Thanks!

GOOD POINT!!:beer :beer

 

The stock damper is perfect, no reason to exchange it by something else.
Like VPREATR said, the speed sensitivity is done using valves. This means that the damper has a lower damping rate for slow movements but a higher one for fast kicks (just what we need, similar to what Hyperpro did).
You can roll very slowly and the damper will not interfere with the corrections you have to do to keep balance, like other dampers would. You just don't notice it is there.
On the other hand, I chased my R1 through my personal "damper test track" yesterday, a bumpy road that would cause any old R1 to kick the bar out of your hands.
Nothing except some small wobbles.

The only problem I have with it: It looks cheap with its cast raw aluminum surface. (easy to cure )

 

Ok I will be the one that says it sucks!!!

I never had as much shake from the front of my GSXR 1000(stock damper) in the two years that I owned it, as I have had in the 2 weeks that I have owned this R1.

It hasnt let me down, but I have had the bars shake on me many time allready with only 300 miles on it. I am gonna pull the Scotts top mount off my race bike, and give it a try!

 

2k2-1k:
In my experience (track specific) the GSXR1000 steering damper has far too much resistance, the key with any damper is it's ability to control and limit (i.e. dampen), rather than eliminate. In my case, I actually wanted to lessen the dampening affects, rather than change the factory fluid; I chose an Ohlins replacement that is configured at or near one of it’s lowest settings.

If you have not experienced excessive headshake, then clearly the factory damper is performing as expected, the check ball system will inhibit/limit dampening at low-to-moderate speed, then restrict flow only when sudden-to-violate thrust movements are detected (i.e. headshake)

If your experiencing brief moments of bar agitation as the wheel returns in contact with the pavement; the check ball will then initiate the process of increased dampening; you may experience minor shake during this process; which is completely normal. That said, when I am racing (or riding aggressively), headshake is entirely predictable, the usage of the damper is purely to contain, rather than eliminate; not to mention excessive shake is potentially due to improper geometry/suspension setup and/or implementation of technique.

As I’m sure you are aware, excessive dampening is certainly not ideal, not only due to the decreased rate of initial turn-in, but the fact that thrusting motions encountered when headshake is initiated can and will transfer throughout the entire chassis if excessive resistance is present.

Food for thought.

Thanks!

 

Is there a specific settings on the front and rear suspension for the damper to work at its best?

 

I know this is an old thread but I have a question. My friend just bought an 04 R1. And was complaining how stiff the steering was. I took it for a ride and he's right. Slow or hard riding the steering is crazy hard. I know thwy are not adjustable but im wodering if something is wrong with it?