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2009 Yamaha R1 Preview

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#1 ·
From Motorcycle.com - By Kevin Duke and Tor Sagen, May. 28, 2008

While Yamaha is naturally tight-lipped about its upcoming new bikes, we're confident we'll be seeing the debut of an all-new R1 flagship this fall. Not surprisingly, Yamaha wants to keep this news confidential, so we don't yet have official pictures of such a machine, but we've come up with some images that suggest what the ground-up redo of the new R1 might look like.

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In 2008, Yamaha's YZF-R1 reached the 10-year anniversary of its introduction. In 1998 the 150-horsepower R1 was nothing less than revolution. While being more vicious than the rest, it left the 143-horsepower 1998 Kawasaki ZX-9R for dead. Honda and Suzuki were nowhere near and got caught with their pants down. It took three full years for the others to catch up, and only Suzuki managed to take away the literbike crown with the all-new GSX-R1000 in 2001.

Product cycles for Japanese sportbikes usually follow a two-year pattern. The -98 R1 was followed with a revised version in 2000, then with another revamp in -02. An all-new R1 debuted in 2004, boasting a more oversquare (77.0 x 53.6mm bore/stroke) engine architecture and sexy new styling. It was such a successful design that Yamaha kept with the same platform until its update in 2007 that saw the introduction of a slipper clutch, variable-length intakes and a new four-valve cylinder head.


This meant that the 2008 R1 was basically a five-year-old design, so it shouldn?t be much of a shocker that the R1 finished in last place in our recent Literbike Shootout, in which we predicted Yamaha might have an answer in a new offering we should see this September.

To counter the current R1's relative dearth of midrange and top-end power, Yamaha may reduce the bore of its new engine to somewhere close to its CBR and ZX-10R rivals? 76.0mm, or perhaps even smaller to something approaching the Gixxer Thou's 73.4mm bore. It will surely have the YCC-I variable intakes and YCC-T ride-by-wire throttle. We expect a claim of something near 190 crankshaft horsepower, which would put it above 160 ponies at the rear wheel.

The current R1's undertail exhaust looked trick in 2004, but the tides are changing with regard to optimal exhaust designs. We predict Yamaha will fit an under-engine exhaust like the 2008 R6 and CBR1000RR, which places a heavy muffler and its required catalysts in a low location that has minimal negative effect on handling. Radial-mount brake calipers and master cylinder are a given, as is a refined version of its slipper clutch.

In addition to this new R1, Yamaha is expected to debut its long-awaited redesign of the iconic VMax. We showed you a concept of such a bike at our IMS event report, and we?re expecting to see a production version in the flesh sometime soon. It will continue with a V-4 engine, but we're expecting a big boost in power to rival Suzuki's Hayabusa-engined B-King.

Stay tuned! The tuning-fork company is going to be one to watch in ?09!

Motorcycle.com Article Link : http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/yamaha/2009-yamaha-r1-preview-80181.html
 
#4 ·
Wouldn't you think they'd hold off for the 2010 year for the new design. THat would be my bet.
 
#41 · (Edited)
Thats probably the #1 reason you can expect the new R1 to look similar to those pictures. MotoGP's purpose is not just to provide a place of competition for the worlds greatest riders.. its also for World greatest motorcycle manufacters to test their prototype technologies and bikes. Eventually that technology does trickle down to the street bike and whats in the dealership showroom.

What MotoGP is showing us right now:

1) Undertail exhausts are too heavy, too complicated, too expensive and affect handling on the bike too much. Current R1 stock exhaust pipes probably weight a good 15lbs. So by going from undertail to under belly.. you are first reducing the amount of weight from 15lbs to about 8lbs.. and moving that weight from the top of the bike to the bottom. The bottom of the bike is where the center of gravity is.. and physics tells us any weight placed that low.. is weight that is being "pulled" into a corner is what makes a bike more stable when its leaned over. Placing more weight in the center of gravity means the pull into a corner is now like grabbing someone by the waist.. instead of grabbing someone by the ankles. A much more effective pull.

Are you really that concerned with looks when your leaned over on your bike.. or would you have a more stable.. more flickable bike from side to side. If you are more concerned with looks.. then the 2004-2008 R1 is definitely for you.

Also consider this.. aftermarket exhausts for the dual undertail pipes run as much as $2600!!! Aftermarket exhaust for underbelly exhaust are atleast a $1000 cheaper. Who doesnt want to save a $1000 when doing upgrades to their bike?

2) Some are complaining about the air scoop in the nose of the bike. Again physics will show that is most concentrated point of "rammed" air on a motorcycle. Placing one big scoop there is more effective that two little scoops on the side. Function over form. How many MotoGP bikes do you see with the air scoops placed on the side? How many have the air scoop placed in the middle?? Hell you can even apply that logic to cars.. when you look at the scoop on a hood.. where is it usually at?? Dead smack in the middle.

And honestly I dont think like it looks too bad as long as they keep the dual headlights (its an R1 signature). The Ducati Desmo looks beautiful in its street form with the center air scoop and cat eye headlights.



Other points:

3) A few people are complaining about the styling. Think about this.. has there ever been an "ugly" R1? The same way Ferrari is famous for making the most beautiful cars.. Yamaha is famous for making the most attractive sportbikes, specially the R1. The R1 has always won the beauty contest. Every single year its been produced. Even when Ducati made the ugly azz 999.. Yamaha still made a better looking R1. Why in hell do you think its same engineers responsible for desiging the R1 the past 10 years.. would let you down on the 2009 bike. No one knows exactly what it looks like.. but it would be foolish to think the bike will be unattractive.

4) Everyone seems to be concentrating so hard on the "looks" of the new bike.. that they skipped one major, major point. Engine bore/stroke redesign. How many times have you heard complaints about the lack of midrange from R1 fans and haters alike. Yamaha tried to address this with the 2007.. the variable intakes were supposed to help increase midrange. It had a minimal effect. So it looks like for 2009 the real source of the 'problem' will be addressed. And thats the bore/stroke of the engine. By backing down there the engine will probably have a redline a little lower than it does now.. but it should greatly improve midrange and torque numbers.

Honda is already very successful with their new 1000rr engines design. It seemed they hit the magical point where more power is made where its mostly used (midrange).. yet the 1000rr only gives up a couple of HP at its redline. This is a great compromise for street and track riders alike..




I'm currently contemplating selling my 05 R1 in August.. with the sole hope of scoring a brand new, completely redesigned 2009 R1. There hasnt been a R1 yet to dissappoint me.. and I have no doubt the 2009 will continue that tradition.
 
#7 ·
I just bought a new '08, and I absolutely love the design and the undertail exhaust.

I know there are sound practical reasoning for a low side-mounted pipe and muffler, but the sharp symmetrical look of the undertail bike was what ultimately won me over from buying any of the competition.

I love my sexy and sharp looking three-weeks old graphite R1, and to Yamaha's design team or execs reading this thread...

KEEP THE UNDERTAIL EXHAUST!!!

And I promise to upgrade to a new '09 next spring!:)

But I want an hydraulic clutch, adjustable engine-settings like the gixxers have, and a smoother response to low-rpm throttle roll-ons. It could do with an electrically adjustable steering damper too... And PLEASE!!! get rid of the eyesore brake-fluid containers... F-ugly!

And make all color-schemes available worldwide - I love my graphite-grey bike, but would rather have the US Raven black version...

And lastly; I have no need for more top-end power, but would very much appreciate a stronger midrange and a slightly shorter 1'st gear.

Make it so!:)
 
#11 ·
I like it. It sure is different but a new design is supposed to be. Damn how the times fly. I remember what everyone on here was saying about the 07 when it was released. No one liked it at first. I think this one will be a hit. :rock
 
#13 · (Edited)
absolutely hideous. not to mention it takes too many cues from the R6, very unlikely, if they do redesign the R1 it'll be a little more original than that and hopefully a lot better looking. if not, they'll be going the route of the shamefully ugly 2008 1000RR.

ps R1's never ever ever have a center grill on the nose, that's stricly an R6 feature.
 
#35 · (Edited)
I figure if the 09 is so much better and better looking too I'll get it. If not I can still pick up an 08 new for cheaper.


ps R1's never ever ever have a center grill on the nose, that's stricly an R6 feature.
Yep, didn't look too bad until I saw that air scoop. Looks like a ****ed up fish bike. Those definately need to be incorporated better.
 
#14 ·
Ban the squid for posting this! We'll see in September, nobody knows what they look like in advance :crash
 
#16 ·
i know nobody knows what it will look like for sure, but this is my favorite "preview" so far
 
#22 ·
Sorry I brought ya out of the closet :ugh... thanks for the second infraction :crash... how's the popcorn :)
 
#26 ·
New motor please with some CBR 1000 RR like midrange, but still retaining that R1 engine character when the thing lights up and feels like it's gonna take off.

Is this possible?

I'd even forgive the top end figure staying the same as the current gen to achieve this.

Can't wait to test ride one :D

PS. Don't really care what it looks like
 
#30 ·
I know those pics aren't etched in stone but I think they look pretty darn good.

I'm a big fan of the undertail exhaust but I believe that will be a thing of the past. I'm guessing that maybe they "Yamaha" might be getting tired of hearing complaints about riders getting there ass burned from the exhaust, and not to mention it would save some poundage off the bike.

I for one would love to have more low end and mid range, and even more top end grunt would be nice. :fork
 
#32 ·
I'm a big fan of the undertail exhaust but I believe that will be a thing of the past.
Ducati seems to differ. I prefer the undertail on a literbike. Emissions requirements usually mean the buell style are ugly on the big bikes. They should stay on the 600s
 
#37 ·
In the year 2000 (in my best Conan voice)

I'm 50/50. Not crazy about the air intake. Looks like it's a fish trying to kiss someone.

And I'm a huge fan of the undertail exhaust. It's what makes it sexy to me. Looks like a freakin' rocket and is unique in looks to the motorcycle world.

For weight, just remove that freakin' cataylic. Replace the midpipe with an aftermarket and you can still keep the EXUP.

Don't like the "R6" looking tail. I wouldn't mind the upgrade in low and midrange power but for me a power commander does a nice thing for the R1.