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So, what's the next big advancement?

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#1 ·
Watching a few of the racing series lately got me thinking. As motorcycling advances there is always big advancements in technology that brings the bike to the next level. Between tire advancement, suspension taking leaps and bounds with gas charging and big piston kits, engine development, Honda designing the shiftless gearboxes, traction control, wheelie control, and crazy motor designs like the counter rotating crank or the crossplane brings me to my question.

What's the next big advancement? I'm thinking automatic transmissions for production bikes, but what's after that? How much can they redesign a tire or suspension? Maybe make the frame from new materials?

What's are your thoughts?
 
#2 ·
they already did the auto trans for bikes....it bombed big time.

I think they next big advancement will be cooling. thats always been an issue on bikes is keeping the damn thing cool without having to buy a $1500 larger aftermarket radiator.
 
#3 ·
please no automatics. Cars shouldnt even have them, then maybe people would learn how to drive (not just steer) a car.

But anyway, not sure if it's an advancement, but potentially electric bikes, or at least non-combustion motors.
 
#4 ·
They will follow in Ducati's footsteps and further develop electronic assisted suspension....IMO anyways...
 
#5 ·
I think the environment for motorcycling has changed. Seeing as many manufacturers are jumping on the automatic track with four wheelers, I wouldn't be surprised if they tried again. Mainly Honda. They are having success with it in racing, why not funnel it into production?

Again it's speculation.

As for electric bikes, to me that would be a bigger flop than the old auto bikes.
 
#6 ·
I doubt it will be an "automatic" but I could see a manumatic trans in them which is what they are using in racing from my understanding. The rider can still shift and hold gears at will, but eliminates the need for a clutch.
 
#20 ·
They already have it. Honda offers it on the VFR1200. It's the DCT model (dual clutch transmission). It's pretty damn good from what I read. I haven't ridden that version but I did buy the manual one. Honda always uses the VFR for a test bed so I'd expect to see it as an option on their supersport bikes shortly. FI and ABS were first used on the VFR.
 
#11 ·
Well, since this is in the name of fun, why not?

Every time there is an "is this the 20XX thead?" I say the same things: "single sided swingarm AND fork." Most take it as a passing joke, which it is partly intended to be. But there is a touch of serious to it. Why, in an age where we have improved nearly every component of the modern motorcycle to a point where it's almost unrecognizable by standards of about 50 years ago, do we still have twin leg, telescopic forks? I mean I understand that they are greatly improved with electronics and nitrogen gas (as opposed to the 79% nitrogen that was in them :rolleyes:). But when will we see a significant change that will offer us something other than twin telescoping tubes that offer constant variables to the pilot?

Just my two cents. Won't likely happen in my lifetime since they are easy to build and service, look good, and every few years we can change the valving, add a new coating and charge a bloody fortune; rather than pursue something different. :dunno
 
#13 ·
But we turned them upside down, isn't that good enough :D
 
#22 ·
Hate to say it, but the next big thing is going to be electric motorcycles. It's more than a passing fad. Just like 4-strokes killing off the 2-stroke in MX, as electric bikes start to equal the performance of internal combustion motors, we'll start seeing them on track together. Might even see Dorna phase them into Moto3 or a TT-X style class. There will be hold-outs, but eventually power and pricing of electrics will become competitive.

No more gas, no more weight distribution issues with a full tank, no more engine failures and oil slicks. Might even see teams run a single electric motor all season.

Wish I was wrong, but internal combustion motors will probably become a thing of the past.
 
#23 ·
Maybe they are, maybe they aren't, but wouldn't the big manufacturers be jumping on this band wagon and setting precedent? I think someone like Honda or Yamaha, who have been making generators for ever, be able to quickly get an electric bike out on the market as a first. Yet their signs of development point to gas motors still :dunno
 
#35 ·
Petrol powered motorcycles aren't going anywhere any time soon. That is a long way away.

Over the next 5 years you'll see more electronic nannying added to all the bikes. Some of the scuttle about the new R1 coming says that it'll have some kind of lean sensor attached to the ECU. Sophisticated electronics are the next big thing for power and suspension.
 
#36 ·
Well that's a given, but I don't see it being a huge game changer unless it actually ripples the water. Traction control has been out, abs, and wheelie control, so it's hard to pin what else the electrics are able to do. Sure it might measure lean angles, but why? To adjust power? Isn't that just more traction control? I'm curious as to what really mixes it up.

Great point though
 
#37 ·
Than again maybe I'm not thinking outside the box enough. Maybe the next move is a chemical concoction inside the tires that makes them even more grippy, or a bone/web type structured frames to lighten them up :lol
 
#38 ·
Until electric powered cars become the norm, I don't think that motorbikes will move away from internal combustion.
The battery sizes and capacities have to improve vastly in the car area before they become accepted then I think it will move to motorbikes.
I see the future is electric but probably happen till I'm old and I'm still clinging to my 2 stroke RGV250 and R1.
 
#39 ·
RGVs kick ass. Hold on for all it's worth.

Actually, I think just the opposite. Start small, prove the concept, go bigger. Already a race for electric bikes (TTX) at one of the most prestigious races in the world. Motorcycle is a perfect vehicle to develop technologies for other applications. Electric bikes are catching on....especially if John McG himself can be drafted into riding one.
 
#67 ·
not only does it have the HP. because of the brushless motors, they have instantaneous linear power curve. can never be replicated with a combustion engine.

they are the future. im guessing 15 more years.

I saw one make it up to the local hangout called Alices a couple months back. Made that funky whirring electric golf cart sound. Think he barely made it up the hill on a full charge. Only enough to make it back down and not do anything else. Anything electric reminds me of my dreaded archenemy the Prius.

But look at Toyota and Audi running hybrids at Le Mans. It may be the future but I'm never converting.
 
#41 ·
Technology doesn't have to be perfected first, then put on a race bike, it's the other way around (e.g. Crossplane, ABS, Traction Control, Launch Control, etc...). A battery only has to last one race to be able to be successful on a race bike, unless of course Carmelo & Co. make up more anti-racing rules and limit teams to 2 batteries per season.
 
#47 ·
Another problem with electric vehicles is their use of rare elements, lithium being a major one. Even if new and different elements can be used for batteries it's going to be the same problem. Electric vehicles will just be a stepping stone until a new fuel source is available.

I'm still hoping for hydrogen powered vehicles but hydrogen seems to have been put on the back burner with electric and hybrid vehicle production. I think hydrogen is interesting because it can be burned in a traditional ICE format or used in fuel cells to power electric motors.
 
#48 ·
What about a light weight KERS( kinetic energy recovery ) system like in formula one cars, I know it might sound like a stupid idea to some but, it could be good. Maybe not a real advantage for street riding but aren't sportbikes race bikes anyways ?
 
#52 ·
IIRC they are putting a form of this on the new La Ferrari. Braking energy to propel an electric motor. First car that I know of to get a KERS like system and it's on an uber supercar so ten years maybe :sneaky
 
#51 ·
I hope not, they seem like a nightmare to work on and fix, especially in a crash. Just seems gimmicky to me.
 
#56 ·
Lol KMac!

I think Electric bikes will be the new thing, maybe not in racing but for normal bike riding.
 
#57 ·
ABS and traction have improved rider safety but I'd like to see (and I'm anti electronics so I can't believe I'm even saying this) anti low side technology.

God knows how they would do it but with all the sensors GP bikes I'm sure electronically they can see it coming in hindsight. Reducing/retarding the engine in the same/similar way as TC works. Tuning this for the street would be highly marketable imo.

The most fandango electronics I've ever had is on my new ride and that's 3 different maps, sport, touring & rain.... what a fugging wank.... my wrist has 100's, possibly thousands of maps available on the fly without having to pull the clutch in. But hey people love this shit and pull out their wallets for it.