just curious why we think Yamaha is changing the '07-'08 R1 so soon? Last gen R1's went for 3 years, '04-'06. Has there been official word yet? Or just rumors?
select20
Still rumors. Follow http://www.r1-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=241307 for the latest info as it becomes available.
It's always rumors.
The 04-06 bikes were the first gen that went three years, the rest are all two. That and Yama has been under a lot of pressure to change the motor to keep up with the GSXR and the Kawi...now even the Honda. The midrange and low end on our bikes doesn't compete in the street world. So....the thought is they might change it this year.
The 04-06 bikes were the first gen that went three years, the rest are all two. That and Yama has been under a lot of pressure to change the motor to keep up with the GSXR and the Kawi...now even the Honda. The midrange and low end on our bikes doesn't compete in the street world. So....the thought is they might change it this year.
All the bikes are so track focused right now, I think Yamaha has a great track platform for the bike right now, and I have a feeling it will be like 2006 with some special edition and probably a few more HP....
I don't see the stubby coming into play, Yamaha makes alot of money for the exhaust manufacturers for the aftermarket exhaust with the price of them vs. stubby, and even the gixxer 1000 for 09 is staying with the duals....
the zx-10 had a poor design for undertail pipes, and the R1 is the only bike that hit it on the nose, i hope they do stay undertail anyway....\
all the photoshops are pure speculation, as Yamaha never follows the competition and plays it safe...
The CBR 1000RR sales were horrible with the stubby pipe, you think Yamaha doesn't notice...look for slightly revised fairings...
I don't see the stubby coming into play, Yamaha makes alot of money for the exhaust manufacturers for the aftermarket exhaust with the price of them vs. stubby, and even the gixxer 1000 for 09 is staying with the duals....
the zx-10 had a poor design for undertail pipes, and the R1 is the only bike that hit it on the nose, i hope they do stay undertail anyway....\
all the photoshops are pure speculation, as Yamaha never follows the competition and plays it safe...
The CBR 1000RR sales were horrible with the stubby pipe, you think Yamaha doesn't notice...look for slightly revised fairings...
Looking back through history you'll find models usually run from 1-4 years. Here is a breakdown of the US market Yamaha 1000cc sportbikes as far back as I can remember.
'87-'88 FZR 1000
'89-'90 FZR 1000
'91-'93 FZR 1000
'94-'95 FZR 1000 (its debatable if you can consider this a different model than the '91-'93)
'97 YZF 1000
'98-'01 R1 (with cosmetic upgrade in '00)
'02-'03 R1
'04-'06 R1
'07+ R1
When a product is selling good (or doesn't have competition) it is usually kept on the market longer. Good examples being the '91-'93 FZR 1000, '98-'01 R1 and '04-'06 R1 (the VMax is a good example of a bike without competition and it went mostly unchanged for almost 30 years). All three of these bikes represented huge leaps ahead of their competition so Yamaha was able to pull more profits before launching the next one.
The '07-'08 has failed to impress very many on the street and its costing Yamaha big in sales numbers. The sooner they get something new on the shelf the sooner they will recapture their sales.
'87-'88 FZR 1000
'89-'90 FZR 1000
'91-'93 FZR 1000
'94-'95 FZR 1000 (its debatable if you can consider this a different model than the '91-'93)
'97 YZF 1000
'98-'01 R1 (with cosmetic upgrade in '00)
'02-'03 R1
'04-'06 R1
'07+ R1
When a product is selling good (or doesn't have competition) it is usually kept on the market longer. Good examples being the '91-'93 FZR 1000, '98-'01 R1 and '04-'06 R1 (the VMax is a good example of a bike without competition and it went mostly unchanged for almost 30 years). All three of these bikes represented huge leaps ahead of their competition so Yamaha was able to pull more profits before launching the next one.
The '07-'08 has failed to impress very many on the street and its costing Yamaha big in sales numbers. The sooner they get something new on the shelf the sooner they will recapture their sales.
Actually, the '98 to '03 were based on the same engine platform. Sure, there were updates every two years then the addition of F/I in '02, but it was the same basic engine. 2004 saw a brand new R1 with a new engine platform and some new body work with a under tail exhaust which has lasted to '08. Again, with some minor updates along the way, but nothing major. As far as I'm concerned the real updates are done about every five years with little tweaks thrown it every two years. Hopefully, '09 will see a radical change for the R1. It's been five years.
Man if you guys only had the insider information that I knew, there would be none of these threads.
actually the changes from 98-99 to 00-01 was not small. if i remember correctly, the 00 had little over 200 changes. new bodywork, revised stuff in motor. but basically same motor for most of 98-03. then 04-6 same, and 07-8 really same bottom end of motor cept head/pistons/cams
what makes everyone thing that there will be a new R1 in 09? their website shows nothing for the R1 like it did for the R6. I sure do hope that they do surprise everyone but don't think its going to happen.
I sold my 04 R1 and got a 08 gixxer 1000 which I like as well. If Yamaha does come out with a new R1 for sure I'll be one in line.
Wheat the days leading up to release will see prolly 20 threads on 09.. so i cant wait either but i get tired of seeing threads and some of crap posted, but what do u do. i suspect if any real pics do showup.. it will be anywhere from 2-6 days before show when some rep or someone in convention hall snaps pic of it.
IMO the undertail exhaust SUX:fact......bring on the stubbie, look how well they worked on the R6
The only 1000 with a true stubby exhaust is the cbr1000rr, which also is way down on sales from the last model with underseat exhaust....
Honda is also tuned very rich unlike Yamaha from the factory, and probably the best emissions system so they can run the true GP pipe....
The Gixxer 1000 for 2009 is keeping the dual standard mounts, but will be more "conical"-FOR Emissions reasons
The Zx-10 also has a standard mount side exhaust with a huge cat, not a stubby-For Emissions
The R1 will probably not see a stubby due to stricter emissions, and the R1 sales are good due to looks and performance as well, more on the track than the street....I say revised cans on an underseat exhaust....R6 has and will keep the GP pipe and center ram air duct.....
The stubby exhaust was probably a thought for Yamaha until the CBR bombed in the looks department, which we all know sells bikes....
The R1 was photoshopped a few years ago similar to an R6 as it is now, never happened, they would have went with the stubby already....
but who knows, just something to think about...
Honda is also tuned very rich unlike Yamaha from the factory, and probably the best emissions system so they can run the true GP pipe....
The Gixxer 1000 for 2009 is keeping the dual standard mounts, but will be more "conical"-FOR Emissions reasons
The Zx-10 also has a standard mount side exhaust with a huge cat, not a stubby-For Emissions
The R1 will probably not see a stubby due to stricter emissions, and the R1 sales are good due to looks and performance as well, more on the track than the street....I say revised cans on an underseat exhaust....R6 has and will keep the GP pipe and center ram air duct.....
The stubby exhaust was probably a thought for Yamaha until the CBR bombed in the looks department, which we all know sells bikes....
The R1 was photoshopped a few years ago similar to an R6 as it is now, never happened, they would have went with the stubby already....
but who knows, just something to think about...
I think Honda's sales dropped not from the shortie pipe, but from that ugly front grill and terrible rear end. They've done better....
I think the CBR1000RR bombed because of the performance of the previous generation.
Gixxers sales keep increasing because they kick ass where the manufactures want them to kick ass at THE TRACK. The saying is still wins on Sunday equals sales on Monday (strange that motorcycle dealers are closed on Mondays:banghead:
When you go to the track all you see are Gixxers and Busas and a few ZX-10s and ZX-14s. Very few Yamahas on neither road courses nor 1/4 mile tracks except for the loyalist.
If Yamaha has to take the undertail off, I am all for it if it generates wins. Yamahas are always the top sellers, so what will happen if they acutally win a race or 2. Sales through the roof. I am not worried about looks because they always seem to have that part of the market conered.
From what I read about the R6, they didn't give it the undertail because they wanted it to have its own identity. That bike is kicking ass on both tracks so when you go to the tracks, if they are on a 600 its usuallly a R6. First 600 to break into the 9's on a 1/4 mile track stock with a pro rider of course.
I love they way my bike looks and performs but I want to see it looking good in the winners circle. Through the manners out, take the gloves off, and unleash the beast. :flame:
Gixxers sales keep increasing because they kick ass where the manufactures want them to kick ass at THE TRACK. The saying is still wins on Sunday equals sales on Monday (strange that motorcycle dealers are closed on Mondays:banghead:
When you go to the track all you see are Gixxers and Busas and a few ZX-10s and ZX-14s. Very few Yamahas on neither road courses nor 1/4 mile tracks except for the loyalist.
If Yamaha has to take the undertail off, I am all for it if it generates wins. Yamahas are always the top sellers, so what will happen if they acutally win a race or 2. Sales through the roof. I am not worried about looks because they always seem to have that part of the market conered.
From what I read about the R6, they didn't give it the undertail because they wanted it to have its own identity. That bike is kicking ass on both tracks so when you go to the tracks, if they are on a 600 its usuallly a R6. First 600 to break into the 9's on a 1/4 mile track stock with a pro rider of course.
I love they way my bike looks and performs but I want to see it looking good in the winners circle. Through the manners out, take the gloves off, and unleash the beast. :flame:
I agree with the riders. In 2006 you had Jamie Hacking win supersport and superstock titles. Eric Bostrom com in third in supersport and a close second in formula extreme. Yamaha was only in 3 categories and was in the top 3 in all 3 classes. I think the line up should be superbike - bostrom bros, supersport - herrin, disalvo, formula extreme - disalvo, eric bostrom - superstock (if they run it) - ben bostrom, josh herrin. If they don't run superstock the put josh herrin and disalvo in f/x. Yamaha has the most technically advanced bike out but I don't think they have the right combination of bike/rider like suzuki. Both Bostroms in superbike and that R1 will be at the top in no time. Or bring back Jamie Hacking, look what he's doing for Kaw. The guy give you 2 titles in 1 season and you can't give him a superbike ride? Shame on Yamaha. Karma I guess.
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